Coinmaster 6/DHB Age?

[bakergeol]

Hi Carl
I enjoyed viewing your collection. It brought back some memories. Cleaning out my closet I found a Whites Coinmaster 6/DBH with GEB discrimination. It's patent number is the same for the 6000 which is 4030026 or a 1977 date. It's controls appear more primitive than the 6000 with separate volume and power controls and 3 not 4 modes. Does this detector predate the Coinmaster 6000? If memory serves me right I bought this after my A.H. Pro which was mid 70's. A guess would be late 70's. What was Whites first VLF?

George

[Carl-NC]

Yup, the 6DB (and H) came right before the 6000/D, about 1977/78. The 6DB was White's first motion-disc VLF, I believe. The even older Coinmaster V was also VLF (all metal) with a TR-disc mode. Not sure if it was the first White's VLF.

- Carl

[bakergeol]

Thanks for the information Carl. I am still looking to see if I can spot my second detector in your group photo. I can't spot my "Little Monster" made by Whites for Karl Von Mueller. BFO mid sixies.


George

[Carl-NC]

Don't got one of those, but I have heard of it!

[Les]

Whites?

Treasure Hunters Manual #7 Ram 1979, page 119, states the "Little Monster" was manufactured by Garrett Electronics.

[bakergeol]

Treasure Hunters Manual #7 Ram 1979, page 119, states the "Little Monster" was manufactured by Garrett Electronics.

I realize that Karl wrote these manuals(I wish I still had a copy of them) but the time frame just does not add up. I purchased my "Little Monster" from Karl Von Mueller in the 60's before Garrett Electronics started making detectors. Garrett Electronics was incorporated in 1970 (I guess he started tinkering around since about 1964). Garretts first detector came out in 1972. So unless Charles Garrett personally made these "Little Monster" BFOs for Karl before Garrett Electronics was established it is not possible that these early models were made by Garrett Electronics. Perhaps there are some post 1972 "Little Monster"models made by Garrett for Karl which he is referring to?
I never really asked who it was made by. However since it had that typtical White's blue box and there weren't many MD manufacturers at the time(Garrett did not exist then) I always assumed it to be of Whites manufacture.
George

[bakergeol]

A few other points about my "Little Monster" BFO sold to me by Karl Von Mueller. It was unusual as it did not have the name of the detector on the unit nor as I recall where it was manufactured. It's housing was a small blue square box with a straight shaft(Ouchs- that hurts just remembering it). It also had a small red wood coil.(I believe it was a 6") which also reminded me of Whites early BFOs. I don't see it in Carl's collection but one Whites model had a similar red coil. Antique today but it found me more valuable stuff in a summer than a Newbie can find in a lifetime today. It was the "cats meow" back then.

Garrett may have posted plans for the "Little Monster". Also I can only remember Karl Von Mueller selling this one detector- correct me if I am mistaken. He was a pioneer and a legend.


George

[bakergeol]

Gee here I am again. I just found out thru the internet that there was two versions of the "Little Monster". One was made by Garrett(Had to be a later version) and one was made by Exanimo(Karl Von Mueller) which obviously predates Garrett. Obviously my version was an earlier version from Exanimo(But still did Whites's make it for Exanimo?)

I sure wish I still had it Must have some collector value to it if I had never ever seen one for sale.


George

[Mark S.]

Have to disagree with you on the Garrett dates. They were pumping out detectors in the mid to late sixties. There were writeups within the last year or two on the 40 year anniversary. I have advertisements and I believe a piece of literature predating 1970. Also have a few detectors from that era.

I have heard of the Little Monster but do not know anything about it.


Mark S.

[Mark S.]

If you go to Garretts website you can read the company history.

Mark

[bakergeol]

Yes you are correct Mark. Garrett made the "Hunter" in the 60's. I was in error for stating that Garrett made his first detector in 1972. Was the pre-1970 Hunter made by Garrett labeled as being made by Garrett Electronics or only post 1970 detectors?(Garrett was incorporated in 1970) If only post 1970 detectors it would narrow the time line in which the "Little Monster" could have been produced by Garrett.


George

[Mark S.]

George

Checked out what I had and I could not find any literature pre 1970. Thought I had some but could not locate it. I did find an add in a 1969 magazine advertising the hunter line. I do have one detector, a Scanner model that I have not seen in any post 1970 literature. Have nothing at all on it. So it is definitely a 60's model. Have another unmarked model that appears to be from the same time frame.

I do believe that the name was always Garrett Electronics. The date you refer to was simply an incorporation date.

Mark S.

[Unregistered]

Treasure Hunters Manual #7 Ram 1979, page 119, states the "Little Monster" was manufactured by Garrett Electronics.

It states nothing of the sort.

[Elie]

I wrote the previous post.

[Elie]

I realize that Karl wrote these manuals(I wish I still had a copy of them) but the time frame just does not add up. I purchased my "Little Monster" from Karl Von Mueller in the 60's before Garrett Electronics started making detectors. Garrett Electronics was incorporated in 1970 (I guess he started tinkering around since about 1964). Garretts first detector came out in 1972. So unless Charles Garrett personally made these "Little Monster" BFOs for Karl before Garrett Electronics was established it is not possible that these early models were made by Garrett Electronics. Perhaps there are some post 1972 "Little Monster"models made by Garrett for Karl which he is referring to?
I never really asked who it was made by. However since it had that typtical White's blue box and there weren't many MD manufacturers at the time(Garrett did not exist then) I always assumed it to be of Whites manufacture. George

Garrett did not make Little Monster detectors. The Little Monster circuit was basically the same as a circuit which was published in Radio-Electronics in 1955. That, and a simpler circuit, were probably the first transistorized metal detector circuits. Von Mueller wrote in THM 7 that the two circuits were published around that time (1955) in a Raytheon booklet. I do not know which booklet he was referring to, but elsewhere, he wrote that the booklet was published to sell transistors (which were newly available at the time). He also gave additional sources (elsewhere) in which the Little Monster circuit was published, but, of course, Von Mueller always made up stuff. More on this later, but it is worth noting that, whenever he mentioned the Little Monster, he did not mention the Radio-Electronics article. The only differences between the Little Monster circuit and the circuit in Radio-Electronics are the search coil and, if I remember correctly, one of the batteries.
Von Mueller sold Little Monster detectors, and he also published plans in various places, including THM 6 and THM 7, before those books were published by RAM (Garrett's company). He promoted the Little Monster as the be all and end all of metal detectors, despite the fact that it was a cheap four transistor BFO. For more on von Mueller, see the following thread, starting at post 10:
http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?t=11414