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    I built a copy of this preamp from the 6000 Di. I did not have any of the right parts, but it does not seem to be too sensitive to component values. I guess it has a wide enough bandwidth that the values are not too critical.

    A penny on the coil gives about 300 mV out of the preamp. This is about half of what I wanted, so I will add an op amp behind it later. I will also want more gain if I can get some kind of automatic gain control working. But right now I can already see a penny at 5 inches from the 5.3 coil. That is close to one coil diameter so I am already in the ball park.

    FIRST DATA

    This is the first set of data from the receive coil.

    Air -155, -98
    Ferrite 1463, 2846
    Foil 346, -425
    Penny 268, -2731
    Penny at 3" -141 -155

    Subtracting the Air values from the others and then calculating the angle I get.

    Ferrite 1618, 2944, 61°
    Foil 501, -327, -33°
    Penny 423, -2633, -81°
    Penny at 3" 14, -57, -76°

    Where the third number is the angle in degrees. By themselves these angles do not mean anything because nothing has been calibrated. But using ferrite as the reference I get.

    Foil = +94°
    Penny = +142°
    Penny at 3" = +137°

    These are the phase angles of these targets relative to a ferrite reference. The approximate numbers that I would expect for these targets are foil +100° and zinc penny +150°. So roughly speaking, it works. Notice that the signal strength for the penny at 3 inches from the coil is quite low, there are not many bits to work with. I am going to have to get some more gain from somewhere.

    PROBLEMS

    The first problem I noticed with the preamp is that the output can only swing 3.5 V p-p before it starts to clip. that means that only 70% of the A/D range is available. So I will need to look for a different op-amp that can operate from 5 Volts and let the output swing closer to Vcc and GND.

    The second problem was that I got a large signal from my first air test. That turned out to be because I had the receive winding connected backwards. Apparently there is quite a bit of capacitive coupling from the transmit winding to one end of the receive winding. When I got that end of the receive winding connected to ground the air signal improved quite a bit. But there is still quite a bit of air signal compared to the signal from a penny at 3 inches. Right now my circuit has long component leads and wires all over the place. Hopefully when I go to a tighter layout some of that air signal will disappear.

    Robert Hoolko

  • #2
    Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

    Hi Robert

    Try Analog Devices AD8055, that one will do it.

    Mark

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    • #3
      Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

      Mark

      Thanks, I will add it to my list. The only place to buy parts here is Radio Shack. So I have to build up a long enough list to make it worth while to order online. I also need to get a 2 volt reference diode. The series diodes I am using for a reference are too temperature sensitive. Every time I stand up, I stir up the air and the current changes.

      Robert

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      • #4
        Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

        Nice to see, that your project is progressing rapidly.

        Well, I think, that Analog Devices sends free engeneering samples of their products?



        That opamp link

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        • #5
          Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

          From the 8055 spec it is not clear if this part is going to work for me. It calls for a +/- 5 V supply, but I only have a single ended 5 V. Also I do not need this much gain bandwidth, and I do not need to drive a low impedance load. What I need is a 5 Volt device that operates rail to rail with at least 1 MHz gain bandwidth, and low power would be nice, about 1 mA supply current.

          Robert

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          • #6
            Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

            Take a look at the ADI selection guide, you're bound to find something. I tend to look mostly at current consumption & noise. Also watch out for current feedback opamps, they make blazing amps but are hard to make stable in filter apps.

            I'm currently using the 8031 in my PI design, this might be good for you as well. Eric found the 8055 to be a great PI opamp, but as you say it is dual supply.

            - Carl



            Analog Devices OpAmps

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            • #7
              Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

              The 8032 looks like it should work for me.

              Robert

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              • #8
                Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

                Hi Robert,
                I have enjoyed reading your posts as you go through the design of your metal detector. I have some MCP602 op amps on hand. If you are interested, I'd be happy to send you a few. They are single supply 2.7V-5.5V rail to rail output and 2.8Mhz GBWP. Good luck and keep the postings coming.
                Charles



                Microchip MCP602 op amp

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                • #9
                  Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

                  The op amps are in the mail.
                  Good luck,
                  Charles

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                  • #10
                    Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

                    Thanks for the parts.

                    Robert

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                    • #11
                      Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

                      Your "package" went out today as well... I threw in 2 AD8032's and 1 AD8031 (single version). Have fun...

                      - Carl

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                      • #12
                        Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

                        The 602 is working well. See Part 17.

                        Robert

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                        • #13
                          Re: IB Metal Detector Project, Part 12

                          >
                          >From the 8055 spec it is not clear if this part is going to work for me. It calls for a +/- 5 V supply, but I only have a single ended 5 V. Also I do not need this much gain bandwidth, and I do not need to drive a low impedance load. What I need is a 5 Volt device that operates rail to rail with at least 1 MHz gain bandwidth, and low power would be nice, about 1 mA supply current.

                          >Robert

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