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BIPOLAR ALTERNATIVE TO H BRIDGE - GENERATING SINE WAVEFORMS - HALF / SINGLE & FULL

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  • BIPOLAR ALTERNATIVE TO H BRIDGE - GENERATING SINE WAVEFORMS - HALF / SINGLE & FULL

    Sometimes a half sine / single sine cycle or continuous sine current pulse in the transmit coil is required. Here are some methods of doing that.



  • #2
    Basically we can add a suitable capacitor C2 in series with the coil on the BATHB ( Bipolar Alternative To H Bridge )


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    Like so to get ....From CC bipolar pulses to half sine bipolar pulses ...
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    then we can modify the pulse timing ( so that a negative half sine pulse is immediately followed by a positive half sine pulse ) driving the BATHB ... to generate single sine pulses at any spacing we like

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    removing the "off periods " in the timing pulses we have the continuous sine wave form.

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    ... it may be desirable to remove coil ringing during "OFF" periods ...

    so we add a simple damping network ... C7 and R5

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    and voila ... no ringing. LOL

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    1 .What all of this means is that by arranging for the capacitor to be switched in/out of series with the coil the detector transmit coil can be made to transmit square or sine pulses or parts thereof thus providing maximum versatility.

    2. The waveform can be varied dynamically to do this in real time by switching capacitors / inductance and timings thus adding further utility.




    moodz

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    • #3
      Hi Moodz,
      I am just looking into the different aspects of bi-polar switching before trying some different simualtions. Have you expermented with any dual frequency bi-polar designs as yet or do you think that a single frequency front end should suffice..?

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      • #4
        This is something I played with extensively at White's. You can also do multifrequency half-sine:

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        This requires a little more complicated TX circuit. I had this working on the bench.

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        • #5
          So during the first quarter TX sine wave negative eddy currents are induced in the target. Then, during the second quarter TX sinewave, the negative eddy currents in the target are cancelled (or subtracted) and then new positive eddy currents are induced in the target.
          During the "listening period" of zero current, the remaining eddy currents decay and can be sampled.

          The advantage seems to be a different response for certain targets according the TC`s of the target, possibly enhancing or diminishing part of the response of targets that have 2 TC`s or multiple TC`s.

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          • #6
            You can initially think of the target response as exactly the same as a continuous sinusoidal VLF response, only truncated at half-sine intervals. But this ignores the exponential start-up inertia of the eddies, so that gets superimposed on the steady-state response. The inertia exponential is most prevalent for high conductors, less so for low conductors.

            Obviously with half-sine you want to run an IB coil and look at the response during TX as well as after. This gives you a true hybrid:

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            You do bring up an interesting point, as to whether the inertial part of the response might allow us to distinguish a single-domain target (like a coin) from a multi-domain target (like a pulltab). I never got that far with my research.

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            • #7
              The response during the TX half-sine on time is REALLY interesting!

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              • #8
                Hi Carl,
                For the multifrequency half sine experiments were these truncated half sines and did you use different driving voltages for example a lower drive voltage for the lower frequency pulses. My understanding is that the only reason you would want to use multifrequncy is to null out salt water influences but are there any other advantages I guess..?

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                • #9
                  I did both truncated and non-truncated, it's just a matter of how the timing pulses are done. Yes, the drive voltage is proportional to the "frequency". Multifrequency also gives you more info on targets and ground, and in the half-sine it also gives you "multi-pulse" variation. There is lots of potential here.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dean Sarelius View Post
                    Hi Moodz,
                    I am just looking into the different aspects of bi-polar switching before trying some different simualtions. Have you expermented with any dual frequency bi-polar designs as yet or do you think that a single frequency front end should suffice..?
                    ... I would go with Carls advice ... Multifrequency is your best bet ( if your frontend can process it ).

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                    • #11
                      I have been playing with the Moodz Alt2H-Bridge for a while now. The PCB that I am using uses SMD components (except for the coil connector and a 100K KEMET potentiometer). If anyone is interested, I am posting the schematic and gerbers.

                      So far I have been focused on the CC operational mode... The PCB works well in this mode. I have not yet ventured to the half-sine mode of operation... have a few loose ends to tie up with the current effort first.


                      edit: I inadvertently posted an old version of the Gerbers... new version functionally the same... just cleaner!
                      Attached Files
                      Last edited by KingJL; 01-13-2023, 01:08 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Hi moodz, Carl,
                        Replying to moodz statement Multifrequency is your best bet ( if your frontend can process it ) , in your opinion what would be the minimum specs for a good A-D front end. For example woud you prefer an A-D with a fast sample or hold or one with highest resolution.
                        In my experience the difference between a good 12 bit A-D and a 16bit A-D is marginal so long as the noise of the flyback is kept to a low level. Typically a 12bit A-D will be faster also.

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                        • #13
                          So during the first quarter TX sine wave negative eddy currents are induced in the target. Then, during the second quarter TX sinewave, the negative eddy currents in the target are cancelled (or subtracted) and then new positive eddy currents are induced in the target.
                          During the "listening period" of zero current, the remaining eddy currents decay and can be sampled.


                          And how is that different from the bipolar square wave current shown in "CC bipolar pulses" https://www.geotech1.com/forums/foru...046#post408046


                          During the first quarter TX sine wave POSITIVE eddy currents are induced in the target. The TX current changes very fast from +5A to 0A. The energy in the inductance of the coil is transferred into the capacitor.
                          At the time when the current is 0A, the capacitor is fully charged to the peak Flyback voltage.
                          The capacitor is then discharged very fast into the coil (inductance) in the opposite direction, again inducing POSITIVE eddy currents in the target. The eddy currents induced during the first quarter sine wave did not have any time to decay at the time the coil current was 0A, thus, the new eddy currents induced during the second quarter are ADDED to the first eddy currents.

                          The eddy currents are corresponding to a 10A TX pulse, from +5A to -5A.

                          During the "listening period" of 5A current, the eddy currents decay and can be sampled.

                          Why do we not see any half or quarter sine waves on the graph? This is because the frequency is so high that in the graph we see them only as a straight line.​

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KingJL View Post
                            ... Moodz Alt2H-Bridge... posting the schematic and gerbers...
                            Just checked the JLCPCB site... you can get 5 boards for $2.00 + shipping!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tinkerer View Post
                              And how is that different from the bipolar square wave current shown in "CC bipolar pulses"
                              I'm getting confused over which system you're describing. Here are the TX current & target EMF for CCPI:

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                              The target EMF comprises short impulses that will depend on how the kick-start is done but will usually be close to half-sine voltages. Because they are rapid the target eddies have little time to build up so the eddy responses are likely close to a t*e-t/τ. A low TC target will get a higher initial eddy current but decays faster, while a high TC target will decay slower but with a much lower peak.

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                              The half sine TX and target EMF look like this:

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                              To imagine the target responses start with a continuous sinusoidal response and simply truncate it. Here is a set of plots for some targets at 10kHz. The gray dashed lines exactly frame a half-sine of the current, and the plots to the right are all the responses cropped to these lines.

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                              But this does not account for the exponential turn-on (or turn-off) inertia caused by the tau of the target. Suppose we take the US nickel; its tau is ~10us which means that its 5*tau settling is about the same as the half-sine pulse width of 50us, assuming a half-sine "frequency" of 10kHz. The total response looks like this (ideal truncated in gray):

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                              It is still very much a VLF-ish response during the TX time (from which you can literally extract a target phase), and you also get a separate PI response during the off time.

                              Both approaches give very interesting but very different results.

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