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  • Repeating the experiment

    I wanted to quickly see what's offered by the differential scheme proposed here so I knocked up the ridiculously quick (less than 10 minutes to make) and dirty (it's not twisted pairs and it's dripping with capacitance) coil....



    ...Still, it does appear to show the principle in action. In case it's not clear just looking at the photo, the ribbon ends are rejoined with a 2 conductor offset forming a continuous coiled pair. As per the bifilar scheme the - at the top is joined to the + at the bottom so becoming the common (green). The remaining ends become the + and - to the TX/RX circuit (red, blue). The diameter is 30cm and the pairs make 18 turns. Not sure how this "solenoid" winding compares to the flat (radial?) winding that's been shown though.

    So on to the initial testing with a scrap of PCB foil at 15CM...



    The white trace is the reference output (from differential amplifier G=500) with no target. Ch1 is the output with the copper foil shown above. Ch2 shows the end of the TX pulse/start of flyback. Ch3,Ch4 are the flyback at each end of the coil. My frontend circuit is basicaly the same as this one except my differential amp is discrete (3xOP37 in classic instrumentation configuration). It's a little way off of critical damping, due in part I suspect, to the resonances in the flyback - probably a result of the awful parasitic capacitance of the ribbon cable. Still, it settle out at around 12us so isn't a write-off.

    So now for the money shot - 1UKPound at the same range...




    Far less response but highly repeatable and relatively undisturbed by environmental effects. There appears to be merit in this technique Regards to moodz and all the other contributors to this project so far!

    ...It seems to have gone a little quiet lately which is why I've jumped in here...

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    Another lash-up for comparison with the same drive parameters: The Ribbon pairs were not twisted so I've thrown some Twisted Pair (TP) equipment wire into a diff. coil (just for bench testing)...

    The big difference here is the extended flyback period. Sampling can't begin until 22us or more with the TP whereas the Ribbon was ready at a highly usable 12us. This surprised me even though I didn't quite achieve the same inductance (I measured the parameters for the two coils, resonating them with a nearby pulsed mono coil). The ribbon is 660uH and resonates at 324kHz = 366pF. The TP is 690uH resonating at 380kHz = 254pF... which I would have thought would have made it the faster of the two.
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    • #3
      Hello Adrian ,
      I will use this "technic" to lower the inductance of my coil from 10 to 20% , like you i experiment a lot ,
      Thank you to share your work
      Alexis.
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      • #4
        I've now made a much faster Tesla coil that exploits all the advantages without being slowed up too much by the additional capacitance this topology yields. It has 20 bifilar turns of 24/0.2 stranded wire with 2.2mm outer sleeve diameter. This becomes the minimum spacing for the twisted conductors (which are also separated by a basket weave) hence reducing the capacitance between turns. It has an inductance of 155uH TX, 600uH RX and intrinsic capacitance of 200pF.

        A very similar coil wound from 1mm magnet wire had an intrinsic capacitance of 550pF - a problem I've raised in moodz "Differential Coils... Theory" topic

        The scope traces in the photo below (2V/div) are for a bottle-top target at 150mm from the centre of the coil, in air. The bottom trace is no target, the one immediately above is target with 500V flyback. Next pair of traces up are the same but with 1kV flyback (flyback here being function of TX pulse width). The next step is to get up to 3kV, but already there are hundreds of mV to play with into the following detector stages.
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