Open Metal Detector Project Charter

[dougAEGPF]

Patches,

Thanks for your reply.

Just to clear the air once and for all. I presume it also means that you are not a dealer in the industry, and do not make your living from it. Please confirm and tell us about your preferences or otherwise for Minelab or any other detector manufacturer or technology.

This is not about Doug, it is about you. I am sorry to press this point but it should be on the record given that you changed your Avatar when you signed up. I have no other agenda than to clear the air for once and for all so that we can move on to focus on Excellent detector designs.

Chudster

People can make up their own mind about Patches Junior by going to Finders forum and searching for all the posts by him.He also has his own forum but is too ashamed(and perhaps too frightened of legal action?) to open it for public viewing.He also has had an earlier forum KWEDY) which was specifically set up to attack and discredit the QED detector! He change of avatar is just typical of his behavior! Misleading,deceptive and not to be trusted!
dougAEGPF

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

Patches,

Thanks for your reply.

Just to clear the air once and for all. I presume it also means that you are not a dealer in the industry, and do not make your living from it. Please confirm and tell us about your preferences or otherwise for Minelab or any other detector manufacturer or technology.

This is not about Doug, it is about you. I am sorry to press this point but it should be on the record given that you changed your Avatar when you signed up. I have no other agenda than to clear the air for once and for all so that we can move on to focus on Excellent detector designs.

Chudster

I have had just about every brand of detector made from the early BFO's of the 60's. Whites, Garrett, Fisher, Bountyhunter, Minelab, etc. For gold hunting I use a 2200 Minelab. I have a old Garrett Ground Hog still I dig out now and then for coin shooting old areas.

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

People can make up their own mind about Patches Junior by going to Finders forum and searching for all the posts by him.He also has his own forum but is too ashamed(and perhaps too frightened of legal action?) to open it for public viewing.He also has had an earlier forum KWEDY) which was specifically set up to attack and discredit the QED detector! He change of avatar is just typical of his behavior! Misleading,deceptive and not to be trusted!
dougAEGPF

Doug, I have not deleted most of my post on Finders like you have. If the readers here want to get a taste of your post they need to go here.

http://arizonaoutback.ipbhost.com/in...opic=8717&st=0

I have other places for the readers here if they want to learn more about you!

[dougAEGPF]

Doug, I have not deleted most of my post on Finders like you have. If the readers here want to get a taste of your post they need to go here.

http://arizonaoutback.ipbhost.com/in...opic=8717&st=0

I have other places for the readers here if they want to learn more about you!

What posts have I deleted on finders? Just another example of your lies and why you can't be trusted! At least most of my forum is open for guests to read and make up their own minds in contrast to your closed, member only "forum"!
dougAEGPF

[UrbanFox]

At least most of my forum is open for guests to read and make up their own minds in contrast to your closed, member only "forum"!
dougAEGPF

Doug, I notice that in a part of your forum you made a post (yesterday, was it) .....

"This is a portion(a screen shot) of very long post (describing saving detector settings for a particular location and then recalling them at the same location at another time) that was on my first forum a long time before a WIPO patent application to protect the technology used in the latest detector by a well known company
I am advised that its quite sufficient to invalidate the patent! I will sit on it and see if this well known company now decides to behave fairly and reasonably.If so then the post will stay with me otherwise it will go to the patent examiners!
doug "

Can I ask you Doug, would you describe your post as an attempt at Blackmail or Extortion...which one do you think?? You are wanting a certain outcome from certain legal action currently occurring with a certain company. Could I suggest that if you have reason to believe that a patent will not stand up to scrutiny then act on it instead of going on like the grandstanding but impotent "Official Minelab Basher" you are known to be.

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/view...dered&start=26

[dougAEGPF]

Doug, I notice that in a part of your forum you made a post (yesterday, was it) .....

"This is a portion(a screen shot) of very long post (describing saving detector settings for a particular location and then recalling them at the same location at another time) that was on my first forum a long time before a WIPO patent application to protect the technology used in the latest detector by a well known company
I am advised that its quite sufficient to invalidate the patent! I will sit on it and see if this well known company now decides to behave fairly and reasonably.If so then the post will stay with me otherwise it will go to the patent examiners!
doug "

Can I ask you Doug, would you describe your post as an attempt at Blackmail or Extortion...which one do you think?? You are wanting a certain outcome from certain legal action currently occurring with a certain company. Could I suggest that if you have reason to believe that a patent will not stand up to scrutiny then act on it instead of going on like the grandstanding but impotent "Official Minelab Basher" you are known to be.

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/view...dered&start=26

Please cease and desist from breaching my copyright!
dougAEGPF

[UrbanFox]

Please cease and desist from breaching my copyright!
dougAEGPF

Would it be breaching your copyright if I sent a copy to a certain company so they have it on file for submission as evidence to the court if that ever became necessary? It would make a good exhibit don't you reckon?? Would you say you are trying to influence the direction a certain company takes with respect to court action they may be currently involved in to protect their IP? I am interested to know what you expect to achieve, and would be surprised if others are not also interested..

[dougAEGPF]

Would it be breaching your copyright if I sent a copy to a certain company so they have it on file for submission as evidence to the court if that ever became necessary? It would make a good exhibit don't you reckon?? Would you say you are trying to influence the direction a certain company takes with respect to court action they may be currently involved in to protect their IP? I am interested to know what you expect to achieve, and would be surprised if others are not also interested..

You conveniently forget why the open detector charter thread came about! A certain company may well attempt to jump on this next! Hammerhead III PI: An advanced and scalable PI design using a PIC micro for timing control and signal processing.

It was a current Geotech member that alerted me to his post. He has told me that he will take it to the US patent office examiners if a certain company applies for a US patent. He is furious, appalled and disgusted about how a certain company has behaved!

I thank him for alerting me to his post which only I access!
dougAEGPF

[chudster]

Doug, I notice that in a part of your forum you made a post (yesterday, was it) .....

"This is a portion(a screen shot) of very long post (describing saving detector settings for a particular location and then recalling them at the same location at another time) that was on my first forum a long time before a WIPO patent application to protect the technology used in the latest detector by a well known company
I am advised that its quite sufficient to invalidate the patent! I will sit on it and see if this well known company now decides to behave fairly and reasonably.If so then the post will stay with me otherwise it will go to the patent examiners!
doug "

Can I ask you Doug, would you describe your post as an attempt at Blackmail or Extortion...which one do you think?? You are wanting a certain outcome from certain legal action currently occurring with a certain company. Could I suggest that if you have reason to believe that a patent will not stand up to scrutiny then act on it instead of going on like the grandstanding but impotent "Official Minelab Basher" you are known to be.

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/view...dered&start=26

Firstly:
I would like to bring to your attention that by the grace of the administrators on there being sufficient interest. These threads now command their own project space in the projects section. Thanks admins.

Secondly:
I don't know about blackmail or extortion but it is vital that the open detector project understands the IP that is out there so that its designs do not infringe.

I have opened a thread giving an overview for the analysis of patents and IP so that we do this in an organised way. The idea is that people could take the information about patent numbers and possible prior art to an IP lawyer for an opinion if they wish to use aspects of the open design that might infringe third party patents beyond an experimental setting. Of course any discussion will not be legal advice.

You can find those instructions here.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...lysis&p=160532

Chudster

[UrbanFox]

You conveniently forget why the open detector charter thread came about!

And you, the proverbial "Boil on the Butt of Humanity", conveniently forget about all the statements made on your forum that gave Minelab good reason to suspect the QED was infringing their IP. The shame is that Minelab do not have you in court and in their sights.

[dougAEGPF]

Firstly:
I would like to bring to your attention that by the grace of the administrators on there being sufficient interest. These threads now command their own project space in the projects section. Thanks admins.

Secondly:
I don't know about blackmail or extortion but it is vital that the open detector project understands the IP that is out there so that its designs do not infringe.

I have opened a thread giving an overview for the analysis of patents and IP so that we do this in an organised way. The idea is that people could take the information about patent numbers and possible prior art to an IP lawyer for an opinion if they wish to use aspects of the open design that might infringe third party patents beyond an experimental setting. Of course any discussion will not be legal advice.

You can find those instructions here.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...lysis&p=160532

Chudster

Firstly thank you Chudster you for all the work you have put into this. But the problem with patents is this: a certain company has over 80 patents or applications. Take any one of these to a variety of experts for their opinion or interpretation and its likely that you will get more opinions than I have had dinners! Many are a nightmare to understand, are poorly written,filled with Phd level maths and hence subject to wide interpretation. Then who has the resources to take on a well funded company who can employ the services of the best patent attorneys that money can buy and the best technical consultants or expert witnesses that money can buy?

The other problem is that the US patent examiners are overwhelmed and in my view lack the skills or resources to adequately evaluate patent applications and have a strong financial incentive to grant the patent. Few patents are objected to it seems and the patent examiners are in most cases totally unaware of forum posts that would negate the patent because of prior art or prior public disclosure like the one I was alerted too!
dougAEGPF

[UrbanFox]

Few patents are objected to it seems and the patent examiners are in most cases totally unaware of forum posts that would negate the patent because of prior art or prior public disclosure like the one I was alerted too!
dougAEGPF

If you believe you have a case then request re-examination of the patent and submit the info that should have negated the patent being granted. Pretty simple really. However, you prefer to go on with your usual waffle and garbage with the perception that you will achieve some form of notoriety. Lets see you actually do something for a change instead of the usual urine and flatulence.

You also haven't answered my question....Would you say that what your post on your forum is designed to achieve is Blackmail or Extortion??

What do you hope to achieve by your stupidity in posting the drivel you have posted on your forum??

I am sure Bugs really appreciates your input, after all, what are mates for ;-) ;-)

[dougAEGPF]

And you, the proverbial "Boil on the Butt of Humanity", conveniently forget about all the statements made on your forum that gave Minelab good reason to suspect the QED was infringing their IP.

Can you produce any evidence of patent infringement?Here is your opportunity go for it!
dougAEGPF

[UrbanFox]

Can you produce any evidence of patent infringement?Here is your opportunity go for it!
dougAEGPF

You are slow, aren't you. Just sit back, ask Aziz can you have some of his popcorn and coke, and wait to see how good the fireworks are. They might be very spectacular, they might just fizz.

As I have said elsewhere, it's a real pity that you are not the one in Minelab's sights.

[dougAEGPF]

You are slow, aren't you. Just sit back, ask Aziz can you have some of his popcorn and coke, and wait to see how good the fireworks are. They might be very spectacular, they might just fizz.

As I have said elsewhere, it's a real pity that you are not the one in Minelab's sights.

So as an “expert” you cannot produce a single shred of technically sound and credible evidence to show any patent infringement?
dougAEGPF