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    Hello everybody! This is my first post on this forum but I am a complete novice when it comes to understanding how metal detectors actually work, electronically speaking. I do know exactly how my metal detector works in the field and how to get the best from it, but I do not have the first clue how to go about making even the simplest electronic modification to it, and I have found that I now really need to.

    I own an old Laser B1, which was the European version of the Tesoro Lobo, I believe. Anyway, they look very similar!

    All that I need to do is this. I want to make a simple extension cable so that I can mount the control box on the back of the stem under the elbow rest instead of having it as it came from the factory ? mounted under the crook of the stem beneath the handle. I know that this means that the controls cannot be adjusted easily and that the headphone jack will be in an awkward position, but really, I detect on English ploughed fields most of the time and will run the machine on one setting almost all of the time. This would be ~ Fixed ground balance. Discrimination mode. Minimum discrimination. Maximum sensitivity.

    The reason behind my thinking is this. I once used this machine over an extended period of time on long sessions and later discovered that I had damaged the joints in my elbow and shoulder. It's not that heavy, but the ergonomics of this design were indeed the culprit. Just recently I bought my wife an XP ADX150 which has the control box mounted under the elbow rest and have been testing it extensively over the last month. Regardless of the field performance of this machine (which is rather different from the Laser B1) what has struck me is just how comfortable and effective this counter-balancing of the weight of the coil is. It requires almost no effort at all to swing the coil and I have been swinging it through stubble all this time, which makes life much harder when you want to stay in close contact to the ground.

    So, I dismounted the control box from the stem of the B1 and re-mounted it under the elbow rest. The difference is astonishing. This modification is now a priority for me because the old B1 (and early Tesoro in general) still remains one of the very best detectors for my style of searching, will still outclass most modern machines over ground that is laced with iron debris and will even give a good positive signal for a copper coin the size of a Georgian halfpenny (Large cent sized) placed directly on top of a piece of iron the size and shape of a Havana cigar!

    I have already sourced the correct Switchcraft connectors. All that I need to know is ? which is the best cable to buy? And advice on how to go about soldering things together correctly.

    Once I have done this successfully I will probably begin building myself a TGSL!

    Thanks, Jeff

  • #2
    Hi Jeff,

    The lobo has 4 pin delta connectors and I think you could save your self some time and headaches and buy an official tesoro extension cable

    The cost of the plugs would be more then that cable itself.

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    • #3
      If this is similar to the TGSL, and most Tesoro's are, then the recommended cable is Belden-M 8723.

      If you extend the cable then you might need to re-adjust the GB.

      Another solution to 'balance' the detector is simply adding a counter weight on the top of the shaft. Maybe also add a short shaft extension then counter weight.

      I agree that a balanced detector, even if heaver, is much nicer to use.

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      • #4
        I forgot to mention that the connectors are five-pin ones, but I have had a look inside and it seems that one pin is not connected to a wire. I have looked for an official Tesoro extension cable to suit but I couldn't find one anywhere. That's why I decided to just make one for myself. I'd like to get into the art of making coils, anyhow, so a bit of practise making a simple cable would be valuable, I think.

        And yes, the TGSL seems very similar indeed to the B1, in fact, the signal tone sounds exactly the same.

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        • #5
          Thanks for the cable info, Waltr. I have already found a local supplier of equivalent Belden-M 8723 cable that I can walk to! It is the same cable as that on the B1 and is the very same colour, which is good!

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          • #6
            Ya with the 5 pins one pin isn't used, also if it was a 5 pin its definitely not a lobo. Lobo's used the 4 pin delta coils. Here's a 5pin epsilon extension cable.

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            • #7
              If this is similar to the TGSL, and most Tesoro's are, then the recommended cable is Belden-M 8723.
              ----
              do not reminder walter, do not reminder. Belden on selling whole 2 years. i have 30 meters and will cover all tgsl bears' needs.
              i reminder you that with preamplifier board coil you do not need shielded cable. be cause a rx signal is strong.
              and yes, i working now on that. ML uses 4-wires-in-one cable, no shielding, nothing. that is. so you do not need Belden with the preamp.
              also, you can use unneeded SVGA/VGA/EGA cable as show on thic pic
              this cable will cost you nothing, zero cent.

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              • #8
                I have the Lobo ST and I have a battery attached to the back of the armrest so it is better balanced

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                  This is the old warhorse after a dig

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jeff Hatt View Post
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                    This is the old warhorse after a dig

                    Jeff, that B1 looks just like a Tesoro, the original Tesoro Lobo, not the Lobo Super Traq. I'm surprised the original cable isn't long enough to relocate the box on the upper shaft. As I recall from reading some tesoro user manuals, there were usually two options for mounting the control box.

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                    • #11
                      Yes, I now think that the Lobo was the original and maybe it was simply rebadged for the European market as the Laser B1. The cable was always just as long as necessary to reach the control box mounted on the stem and yet the control box does have a belt clip fixed to the back. I will be making the extension cable this week — hopefully.

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