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  • #16
    Originally posted by Nupi View Post
    Thank you for your clear explanation Joseph.

    I have no experience with PI detectors.

    What strikes me is that the Q-factor is not mentioned in your explanation.

    These are some thoughts that come to mind:
    -The dielectric constant reduces the electromagnetic field and the Q factor
    Why not air coils.The dielectric constant of Air(1 atm) 1.00059 - Teflon 2.1 - polyethylene 2.25
    -Spectral noise with high Q (narrower bandwidth) is lower than with low Q (wide bandwidth).
    - A high Q-coil is faster than low Q-coil ?!
    -Also Inductor DC Resistance (RL), Capacitor Loss Resistance (RC)

    Perhaps these thoughts are crap and not applicable in a PI detector.

    Thank you for your time.
    See this web link for some theory on optimum strand size for Litz wire. http://www.newenglandwire.com/produc...es/theory.aspx

    Typically, as the frequency range is higher the strands are thinner. Litz wire is only used up to a few MHz (about up to 3 MHz) in RF and high frequency power supplies. This tends to increase the Q of a coil as coil Q is calculated by dividing the inductance (XL) by the DCR. But at high frequencies the DCR is never reached as the current tends to flow on the outer area of the wire. By using many fine strands the actual RF wire resistance becomes closer the the DCR and then the Q is higher.

    Making coils for a PI metal detector requires some practical design considerations. Coil stability and shielding are the key considerations. While dry air has the lowest dielectric constant and many high Q RF coils use special winding techniques where coils are woven into special shapes with air between the windings and wires are not run parallel and close together. These techniques, while useful in making very fast PI coils, may not show their full potential when shielding is added and the additional shield-to-coil capacitance off sets the low capacitance of the unshielded coil.

    Using Teflon insulated wire is an easy Do-It-Yourself technique to make a stable coil with a shield spaced a few mm away from the coil using a low dielectric constant spacer material. If you use a 600V thicker Teflon wire insulation on stranded wire, you may need to add a few extra turns to get the desired coil inductance. Use polyethylene or Teflon spiral wrap to hold the coil strands together and keep them from making false signals. Add a second layer of spiral wrap then add the coil shield and then cover the whole assembly with another layer of larger diameter spiralwrap. These are just practical ways to make a good home made coil using commonly available parts. Your theory is correct but that only works well on a workbench at frequencies much higher than used on metal detectors.

    Joseph J. Rogowski

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    • #17
      Originally posted by bernte_one View Post
      maybe i will post some Pictures the next days for the differrent types

      so here the Facts which will give better performance
      short area from ferrite is covered by coil
      spacer between ferrite and coil
      litz or yv wire better than magnet wire (because of lower capacitance)?
      Diameter not too big (loss of pinpoint Feature)
      possibilty to add a shield
      i have seen ferrite core coils with ribbon cable as shield
      Hello bernte_one,

      Is there a formula for optimum spacing (distance) of coil from the ferrite rod?

      I'm playing around with Nupi PP coils and am interested in this.

      Thank You, Polymer

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