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  • PI 3x3 foot (91.5 x 91.5 cm) Double D for White TDI

    I am a novice just trying to get/make the right tools for the job. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    I am making two 2x3 foot (61cm x 91.5 cm) coils that will overlap about 1 foot (30.5 cm) to make a 3x3 foot (91.5 x91.5 cm) Double D coil for my Whites TDI-SL.

    My research on this forum has shown that separate TX and RX coils will reduced (null, balance, quiet) the ground matrix better than a mono-coil. I am looking for buckle size and bigger items. I am looking for hut sites, trash pits, privies and general large disturbances in the soil.

    Coil/pix 1 (yellow) coil:

    20 AWG (.81 mm) is 19 strands of 32 AWG silver plated copper wire.
    10 loops gives me:
    5.0 ohm
    313 uH

    Coil/pix 2 (red) coil:

    26 AWG (.40 mm) is 7 strands of 34 AWG silver plated copper wire.
    12 or 13 loops gives me:
    5.0 ohm
    396 uH

    Neither coil is spiraled, shielded or coaxed yet. I thought coil #2 would have less resistance and I would use it as the receive coil but now I will test them for lowest delay. Whichever coil can be used with the lowest delay will be my receive coil.

    Any suggestions before I spiral wrap these loops?

    Should or can I build a better/faster receive coil with smaller/better wire?

    Can a damping resistor be used to reduce the resistance with a TDI?

    For additional info - I plan on using an old electric lawnmower deck (plastic) for a platform. I am interfacing the TDI to a data logger and computer all mounted on the lawnmower deck. This will allow me to save the data from the site survey and manipulate the data with data logger provided software for 2D and 3D imaging. Kind of a poor mans GPR.

    Fred
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    Wire

    Fred,

    Do not use silver plated wire in your PI coil use a wire with strands of .2mm (32AWG) or below for the TX wire you will need about 38/.2mm the RX I use 4/.2mm enamelled wire you can use the same type of wire for the TX or tinned wire in lieu of the enamelled wire hope this helps.

    Regards, Ian.
    Last edited by IBGold; 08-07-2015, 06:39 AM. Reason: added detail.

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    • #3
      Thanks Ian,

      I have ordered some.

      Fred

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      • #4
        At my TDI coils i use a teflon 19 strands of 24-26 AWG silver plated copper wire.

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        • #5
          Geo,

          I studied your 1 meter square coil and based my design a lot on it. Thank you for posting your build and the results.

          Fred

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          • #6
            I have a couple of questions about the TX and RX coils?

            Should the TX coil be low inductance,(300-400 uH), and low resistance to make it a fast coil?

            Should the RX coil be mid inductance(400-500 uH), I guess resistance is not as critical but I might as well try for low resistance?


            The two silver plated wire coils 20 and 26 awg I wrapped with spiral wrap. uH went up a little and resistance stayed around 5 ohms.
            How thick (mm) should the spiral wrap be? I have one wrap of 3 mm wrap. I have Scotch 24 but am saving it for the best coils.

            I measured my small coil that came with theTDI-SL and it measured at the connector 4.7 ohms and 347 uH. I'm hoping to at least meet these specs.


            This is the wire I have order to try and make fast coils:

            "ALLIEDWIRE & CABLE (AWC) UL1061 HOOK UP WIRE
            26 AWGSR-PVC (Semi-Rigid PVC) STRANDED (19 strands of 38 AWG wire) BLUE TINNED COPPERWIRE.
            TechnicalData:
            Electrical:
            VoltageRating: 300 volts rms
            Ampacity: 2 amps

            Physical:
            TemperatureRating: 80°C
            Nom. OD: 0.039"
            PVC Insulation Thickness: 0.010"



            Will updated in a couple of days.
            Fred

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mrainbolt View Post
              Should the TX coil be low inductance,(300-400 uH), and low resistance to make it a fast coil?

              Should the RX coil be mid inductance(400-500 uH), I guess resistance is not as critical but I might as well try for low resistance?


              The two silver plated wire coils 20 and 26 awg I wrapped with spiral wrap. uH went up a little and resistance stayed around 5 ohms.
              How thick (mm) should the spiral wrap be? I have one wrap of 3 mm wrap. I have Scotch 24 but am saving it for the best coils.

              I measured my small coil that came with theTDI-SL and it measured at the connector 4.7 ohms and 347 uH. I'm hoping to at least meet these specs.


              This is the wire I have order to try and make fast coils:

              "ALLIEDWIRE & CABLE (AWC) UL1061 HOOK UP WIRE
              26 AWGSR-PVC (Semi-Rigid PVC) STRANDED (19 strands of 38 AWG wire) BLUE TINNED COPPERWIRE.
              TechnicalData:
              Electrical:
              VoltageRating: 300 volts rms
              Ampacity: 2 amps

              Physical:
              TemperatureRating: 80°C
              Nom. OD: 0.039"
              PVC Insulation Thickness: 0.010"



              Will updated in a couple of days.
              Fred
              Inductance 300 to 350uH for Tx and 400 to 500 uH for Rx is OK.
              You can use 2 spiral wraps so the distance between wire and shield to be bigger.
              No need Rx and Tx coils to be very good balanced.

              Good luck.

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              • #8
                Thanks Geo,

                I wanted to make sure I was on the right track.

                Fred

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