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  • Helmholtz IB Coil?

    I have been into looking into various options for IB coils. As usual, the more research I do into a subject of interest I tend to find more questions than answers.
    A “bucking coil” creates a “null zone” for the Rx coil by using a reversed current flow to that of the primary Tx coil to create an opposing/cancelling magnetic field.
    If the bucking coil was the same dimensions as the primary Tx and operated with the same current flow (amps and direction) we would have a Helmholtz coil with an enhanced and very uniform magnetic field. (see link). http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...mholtz.html#c1
    At the centre point between the coils is a null zone where a Rx coil could be sited and balanced.
    This seems like a really “good idea”, so I’m sure there are plenty of negatives to this configuration.
    Ground effects (permeability & capacitance) will affect the lower coil slightly more than the upper one, depending on how thick we want our coil assembly to be.
    If they are wired in series then variations in current flow should balance within a few cycles and maintain the null. Responses from a “real” target should affect both Tx coils, ( I suspect coil separation distance will affect minimum detectable target size).
    OR: Perhaps a real targets will not be detected as the null point will fully shield the Rx coil or perhaps a targets will only produce responses with the coils in “motion” ie. the fields constantly changing.
    I’m sure that, with the wealth of experience available on this forum, the pros & cons can be examined.
    Last edited by Aurificus; 03-12-2008, 12:24 PM. Reason: add signature

  • #2
    Helmholz coils

    You are on the right track. I have build something of the kind and got amazing results. The problem is to be able to calculate the precise coil disposition ans relative sizes.
    AZIZ is doing a great job in developing this software.
    Tinkerer

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    • #3
      Hi to all,

      first of all, some basics on typical helmholtz coils:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_coil (english)
      http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz-Spule (german)

      See below cross section of the magnetic fields strength:
      In the inner side, the magnetic fields are almost homogeneous.
      Attached Files

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      • #4
        If you change the current direction of one coil, on the center position there will be a magnetic "hole".
        I am sorry. So the proposed idea won't work.
        Aziz
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        • #5
          IB coil

          AZIZ,

          right, and great visualizations by your software. Congratulations.
          Lets call the lower coil TX coil
          The upper coil Bucking coil.
          Now, could you show us how it would look if, with the current in opposite direction:
          1. The 2 coils are moved closer, until they are very close to each other, maybe in 3 steps.
          2. Reduce the current in the upper coil to 40%, 30%, 20%
          3. What would the maximum efficient diameter RX coil be,
          a) placed below the TX coil?
          b) placed inside of the TX coil?

          I hope this is not going to be too much work.
          Thanks

          Tinkerer

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          • #6
            Flatter Helmholz.

            Thanks Aziz and Tinkerer

            The first image is what I was trying to describe, I would have the coils closer together (h < r ) so it's not technically a true Helmholtz coil. dimensions closer to standard coils, say.. 30 mm apart

            My question is If the Rx coil was placed in the null position (dark blue points) will it be able to receive emf from targets and/or distortions of the Tx fields.

            It seems to me that the uniform field strength of the configuration would also help S/N ratio.

            Will the large diameter Rx increase the detection area too???

            Aurificus

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            • #7
              Looks like have my answer.
              The null point between the two Tx coils is not an electromagnetic "black hole". That is an illusion of the graphical depiction.
              The magnetic field lines (lines of force) cannot cross, stop or start. They will become very close together and be of opposite directions even inside the structure of the wires in the Rx coil, creating an excellent but not "Perfect" null. Good enough for my purposes.

              So the new question is: Why are we wasting current and batteries cancelling some of our TX field and time and energy developing complex geometries (like omega coils) when the ideal coil configuration is here?

              A: Perhaps it doesn't work! Any body out there tried this already?
              Perhaps the fields get all screwed up when the distance between the coils is reduced to a manageable dimension.
              ( Dear Aziz, in your spare time, please.)
              Perhaps a large Rx coil sited outside the Tx zone is not as ideal as it looks to me.

              If I don't get any information to stop me wasting any more time on this I will build one to test.
              I'll set up the Tx coils first, on a 200mm. diam. pvc pipe adjusting the separation for maximum field strength & penetration and then determine the
              null zone with the coil field examiner. http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?t=14054

              info here .. good , bad or otherwise!

              cheers, Aurificus.

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              • #8
                Tinkerers pic, flattened Helmholtz coil.

                Thanks Tinkerer, I've posted this for anyone who comes in late.
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                • #9
                  Simply mind boggling!! I bow to the level of knowledge you guys have on this subject and am grateful that you are here to explain it to "numpties" like me.

                  THANKS GUYS!!

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