I'm chasing info on the pinouts and connector used for Sovereign

[betobrambi]

Very Happy New Year por Your's!

I'm chasing info on the pinouts and connector used for Sovereign minelab coils.
Specifically XS 2 Pro models.
I'm currently playing with a couple of coil projects and i'd like to utilise the same connector and pinouts to ease experimentation with homemade and commercial coils.
thanks

Help me! Please
Betobrambi

[mikebg]

Very Happy New Year por Your's!

I'm chasing info on the pinouts and connector used for Sovereign minelab coils.
Specifically XS 2 Pro models.
I'm currently playing with a couple of coil projects and i'd like to utilise the same connector and pinouts to ease experimentation with homemade and commercial coils.
thanks

Help me! Please
Betobrambi

Betobrambi, I have downloaded a sketch, but I don't know for what model is it.

[betobrambi]

Thanks Guru

Many friendly thanks mine, I thought that nobody would be able to help oneself ... He Was Asking Around on the PINOUT, because the Sovereign that I have is XS 2 Pro; It is an excellent detector ...

But the plastic that protects the connective cable ... Y broke I saw many cables with different colors.

Something else, the fact is that I have looked for a great bobbin of quest that he be in 15 in USA for sale "; 16 or 18 inches of big ( because here nobody bandage them in Mexico ); I decided repairing my search coil 10" inches " Tornado ... Y I wish to construct a search grand coil, for deep quests. Because the treasures in Mexico are deep ... Over 2 meters ( 80 to 90 inches ).

But I do not know than material using stops to create it, on all a search coil of 18 " Inches.

You would be able to give me an idea ...

Thanks. Best regards.

Betobrambi. My name is Heriberto Brambila

[mikebg]

Hi Heriberto.
For deep searching you should use an "almost orthogonal" loop configuration with adjustable induction balance as shown in the picture:

[betobrambi]

Thanks Guru

Thanks for your expert advice ... Mira, I have several metal detectors ... The Sovereign XS Minelab's 2PRo, Whites's Sierra Madre; TM 808 of White 's ( 2 boxes ); Discovery 1100 and Discovery 3300; Surfmaster White's's PI ...

The TM he is 808 difficult from calibrating, just like the Sierra Madre at Mineral land ...

Hence, I bought the Surfmaster PI that does not have the problem of the mineral land ...

I have wanted to construct a search coil for the Sovereign and doing a deep quest, increasing the size of the search coil ...

Thus also, I have wanted to construct a plateful of 18 or 20 inches for the Surfmaster PI but nobody helps to me ...

I know that it is important to know the turns of bobbin's cable, the measure or thickness of the cable; Fellow of cable; Induction and connecting fellow pinout ... but I do not taste it ... Hence I ask for to see if somebody tells me like constructing them ... That bobbin of induction of balance,¿How do it be built? ¿Whereon doesthe fellow of detector utilize himself?

In addition, Guru, I know that you know very much and that is recognized and thank that you help to me ...

I can do a further question to you ... If the search acquire coil Butterfly 18x15 " DD for the detector Explorer, Quattro, etc that he bandage kellycodetectors.com ( is it link: Http://www.kellycodetectors.com/acce...earchcoils.htm minelabexcelerator )

Besides, apparently the same search the the Explorer's coil costs $299 dollars ... So than the search the coil for Sovereign costs $ 699 a grand of difference of money ...

The search coil for Explorer, question on them identification can be used in my Sovereign ... Also that's why NDP OUT/IN of the Sovereign to know, if they are compatible among themselves.

Thanks for your help.

Thanks. Best Regards.
Heriberto

[mikebg]

TM808 is not two box!

Heriberto, do not call me a guru because I am very bad teacher. Call me Mike. (BG means Bulgaria).
For example, you do not understand what I mean and what I show in the picture in posting # 4, so I have to explain it again with other words.
ALMOST ORTHOONAL LOOP CONFIGURATION means that the TX and RX coils are not exactly orthogonal. Note the difference between coil system of your TM808 and the picture of CEIA (posting # 4). Your TM 808 has exactly orthogonal coil configuration, but TX coil in CEIA is slightly tilted to achieve precise induction balance.
ADJUSTABLE INDUCTION BALANCE means that relative orientation between RX and TX coil can be adjusted. Note that loops of your TM808 are fixed, and its RX coil appears relative high (far from ground). The RX coil of CEIA can be moved near to ground. When you adjust precise induction balance, you can increase the gain of receiver without its saturation. That means more deep.

[betobrambi]

thanks my friend

Mike, thanks again ... excuse me again ...

I Already understood ... You meant that I have to tilt the TM's head 808 to obtain bigger depth ... No parallel to the land ...

You wanted to say to, close to the land

¿am I All right?

Then, if I tilt a little downwards ( the front coil close to the land ) I can obtain bigger depth ...¿is he truth?

My English is very bad ... Sorry ...

I am a little clumsy to understand ...

But thank you very much and I desire the best ... to him

¿can I construct a search coil PI or for my Minelab Sovereign XS 2 Pro?

I thank if he can help oneself ...

Thanks. Best regards ... Tiene a friend in Mexico.

Heriberto

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[mikebg]

Attached sketch shows the loop configuration at 3 deep searching models:

TM808 of White's contains fixed ortogonal loop configuration. The drawbacks are:
- there is no adjustment of induction balance between TX and RX loop,
- the minimal height of RX loop is limited by dimension of TX loop and
- distance of loop system to ground depends on height of operator.

GEMINI of Fisher has adjustment of induction balance by fine rotation of RX box on axis A, shown as point in the drawing. That alows to be increased sensitivity of receiver. The height of coil configuration can be set to minimum according height of operator. However at this situation the RX loop is not close and parallel to ground.

MIL D1/DS of CEIA has no mentoned drawbacks. The RX coil can be set parallel to ground by rotation on axis A. Indiction balance can be adjusted by rotation of TX coil on axis B. The coil system can be moved closest to ground by adjusting position of a handle according height of operator (see the picture in posting #4).

[betobrambi]

thans my friend

I Right now understood friendly mine ... Thanks, in truth for your advice and explanation ... were, that you are a person with knowledge of learned person ... I, only am an apprentice ...

Pay attention that some friends tell me than, the TM's calibration he is 808 very difficult ... That I must not carry no metallic object, neither buckle in the belt, neither keys, neither change in the trouser's bag, in short, swim that he may affect calibration ... in order that he not dial erratically high mineralization ...

an another friendly question mine, if I acquire a more big bobbin for my Sovereign or I construct a search grand coil for the detector Surfmaster PI,¿can I arrive deep? I DO NOT KNOW, perhaps, 1,5 meters or 2 meters ( 80 " inches ) ...

Your help has been magnificent, wonderful and I do not know like thanking it.

I want to the coil learn on constructing detectors or search ... I Do Not Know A Lot About electronics, but I already bought soldering iron to weld, solder, and besides accessory to do a good thing ...

Thanks my friend.

Best regards ... reply, if he wishes to do it. Since he find a great treasure, I will have you in with the idea to Mexico in order that you enjoy his heat and beach ...

¿are we ?


Heriberto Brambila

[kt315]

God in help.

[betobrambi]

Many thanks KT315 ...

Forgive my questions, but the fact is that in reality I want to make a big foot search coil for my Sovereign XS 2 Pro

¿Which are the materials that I occupy to accomplish it?

¿Fellow of Cable? ¿Measure? ¿Inductancy? ¿Ohms?

¿How many turns? ¿What electronic parts?

¿can the Coil have total success in any search's size, utilizing the same inductancia and ohms?

must Each bobbin be constructed separately? After,¿To join them in the plate ( PCB )? ¿How is the PCB?

Thanks again. can I write to you in Spanish?

Best regards from Mexico

[mikebg]

Similar circuit diagram

God in help.

The God is Walter Jung.
Component values in pictures of posting #10 seem similar to values in an old circuit diagram, published by Walter Jung long time before the design of Minelab.

[mikebg]

The God is Walter Jung.
Component values in pictures of posting #10 seem similar to values in an old circuit diagram, published by Walter Jung long time before the design of Minelab.

The book where the above circuit diagram is
"Audio IC Op Amp Applications" has two editions: 1975 and 1978.
The WEB site of Walter Jung is
waltjung.org

[betobrambi]

thanks mikebg

And to wholes, thank you very much ... I will begin to elaborate a search coil big for my Sovereign ... I Will Delay and in due course, I will get the result of my projects over to to them ...

Only a further question:

original search's inductance coil Minelab 1000 turned,¿is he the same inductance that I have that to apply in the search coil that I will construct ? ¿must ohms be same ones?

That is, if I construct one of 20" inches search coil ¿must I maintain the original coil's same inductance? ¿must I change her and to how much? ¿must I maintain same ohms? Or also I must change them ...

Thanks to mikebg, KT315, to wholes, for his messages and his help ...

Best regards

His friend

Heriberto

[IBGold]

You will need to try to have the same inductance and resistance as the original coils as close as you can get.
Regards, Ian.