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    Got a new invention idea-flash but it needs alot development first:


    The coil is not directly a coil but transmitter and receiving unit
    with motor located at the "coils" center.

    One of the units is attached to the spinning center by a
    stable plastic or glasfiber-arm with adjustable lenght !!!

    RPS (rounds per second, RPM= rounds per minute) perhaps
    1 to 20.

    Sounds complicated but isn't!

    TX-RX coil distance always will be the same like center of circle.

    Of course circuit must be adjustable for different lenghts
    or spoken in terms of electronic - different inductivity & S/N-ratio.
    This could be achieved by reducing transmission power.

    Advantages:
    *
    Very lightweight large coils could be created because the
    distant "satellite" transmission or receiving coil unit has not
    the complete diameter but only the coils weight incl. the
    light but still stable plastic or fiberglas arm.

    *
    The detector no longer needs heavy and expensive seperate
    sized coils for different tasks.

    *
    If the arm has the shape of a bow even high grass would be
    no longer a problem.



    disadvantages:
    *
    additional power for motor

    *
    EMI from motor

    *
    dangerous for the feets (safety-boots required)



    However, this new concept is just for additional inspiration.
    Motorized machines also could be built. Or devices for
    scanning high walls with such a method.
    Even some "helicopter-style" detector would be possible
    with counter weight (or better coil) and adjustable very long
    arms for extreme depths!
    In that case each one of the both hanging down rotors
    at their ends could be designed as a long coil.

    A single person could find extremly deep large metal objects
    in deserts or other flat areas with such a backpack-heli-detector.

  • #2
    Great idea, but ... seems already invented?
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    • #3
      Hi Funfinder,

      Can you please send me some of what you have been smoking cause I don't even understand what your getting at! Your right, it does need a hell of a lot of development. That should keep you busy for a long time

      I think Aziz's IB emi cancelling tophat coil is the go. I can understand that one in my normal frame of mind

      Cheers Mick

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      • #4
        thx for you interest, Mechanic

        Draw you some small pix for better understanding.

        Well, you could try some shamanic herbs to get such results,
        because this idea has some roots at my whirlwind-search method.
        Learn some dervish-dances first and smoke oriental sleep-flowers.

        Seriously, I dreamt about it and for luck I could remember it.


        Why I should turn around in circles until I'm dizzy if a motor
        or rotor can do it much better? As long as distance of RX and TX
        coils remains the same the circuit will have no problems !!!

        But of course the detection area is much bigger, it is extended
        to up left down and right and adjustable by variable arms.

        Just imagine you will walk with the shown backpack in the
        desert where 5m below is an ancient town, buried by sand.

        You would have a portable ultra deep ground scanner!
        Your arms wouldn't have any pain with heavy sweeping!
        And with a stronger motor you even could fly away.

        To invent something new a person needs to think "unortodox".
        Against the already usual directions.

        Inventing the wheel was no big miracle - even round boulders
        can be moved like a wheel, same with tree trunks.

        btw. I solved already the real workin shoe-detector riddle -
        it may take 1 year until it could hit the worldwide market.
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        • #5
          What I can say, fantastic coil idea. Indeed.

          Sorry to not understand your great idea at first.

          Do you have something more of such stuff?

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          • #6
            Polluting and contaminating threads is all what that
            'forum-stalker' can do. And I won't read his posts
            for 1 year until he made a therapy, but I doubt
            he will do it, such persons never will change.
            And I don't read those who answer 'WM6'!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WM6 View Post
              Great idea, but ... seems already invented?
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              • #8
                Hi Funfinder,

                The problem with your idea is the strongest response of a target is when the tx coil is centered over it. It is also beneficial that the rx coil is centered over the target as well to receive the best response. The bigger the coil the greater the depth.

                Cheers Mick

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                • #9
                  Hi Mechanic,

                  you also can compare it with the deep search coils Garrett
                  Eagle Eye or Whites TM 808 with the difference that mine
                  are able to spin and have adjustable "diameter".

                  For archeological survey similar detectors are in use where the
                  coils are 100 fts away from each others. Of course those are not
                  really portable like an usual metal detector.

                  Anyway a completly new electromagnetically focused method must
                  be found because the situation since 50 years really is "ridiculous".

                  Either very small stuff with 8'' or "somehow" deep things with
                  very to extremly large coils.

                  We are living in the time of computers and there has to be found
                  a new way, as example by multi-segmented-coil-analysis and
                  "Yagi-Antenna" Style directional TX RX.

                  9 square ordered highgain ferritecoils over an area of 2x2feet
                  that analyze the signal of the center coil or something like that.

                  With a highly accurate timing a spinning coil could act as
                  such a multisegmented coil, too.

                  It's time getting the first combination coil that is capable for
                  finding very small gold nuggets plus extremly deep stuff.

                  Too bad we can't look into the ground by ultra-sonic examination
                  like at prenatal diagnostic.

                  There may be some hope by using higher frequencies with
                  much more power.


                  Anyway - the spinning coil-method will work 100% and
                  even could be developed as an "overlapping design" OO-coil.
                  The connection fiberglass arm could be made adjustable
                  from oo up to 2 feet. If each coil has just 5'' diameter from
                  very small gold nuggets up to really deep stuff everything
                  could be found.

                  And I doubt the coils sizes makes alot difference.
                  The 808 and Eagle Eye may have 15'' coils but the
                  frequency of ca. 10kHz is in no relation to that size,
                  it doesn't match at all.

                  What really counts is the detected amplitude and phase
                  shift changes of the EM field "inbetween" the coils what means
                  in our case "somehow below of ca. the middle of the coils."


                  btw. we could design those both coils already in DD shape,
                  but of course as D-singles or as flat elliptical.

                  In that case if very close together there would be no difference
                  in size with those coils we have already as "glued together"models,
                  but if we move those perhaps 5''x20'' (12.5cm x 50cm) D's
                  to a distance of 2feet those will reach really a great depth.


                  Perhaps in the beginning such "adjustable real widescan" coils
                  should be developed without the spinning motor.

                  Some "autotracking" circuit would be great so no matter
                  if at overlapping or 2ft. distant position the maximum of
                  detection is possible. Including adjustable transmission-power
                  if needed.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Funfinder View Post

                    Perhaps in the beginning such "adjustable real widescan" coils
                    should be developed without the spinning motor.
                    Sorry all already invented and developed:
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                    • #11
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