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  • E-cigs, vape pens, puff bars : Trash Tech

    More 'Trash Tech' for you.
    E-cigarettes are very popular now, and if you look in the right places, discarded ones can be easily found. But recently, there has been a surge in the use of disposable single-use models, which are commonly known as 'Puff Bars'.
    All of these devices contain a foil-pouch lithium-polymer cell, typically cylindrical, but sometimes the more conventional flat shape, which are all easily salvaged. They are all fully rechargeable, even the 'disposable' types. Capacities vary from 200 mAh up to 1800 mAh. Cylindrical shapes can be 9mm up to 20mm diameter, a common one is 13400 ( 13 diam x 40 L ), the rectangular types tend to be long and slim.
    These could be paralleled up if more capacity is wanted, and obviously series connected for higher voltage applications; two cells would make a fair PP3 9 volt substitute, for example.

    In addition to the Li cell, the electronics has salvageable parts. Push-button switch, small LED's often blue or white. The ones with a USB charging port can be used as a charging regulator for any other Li cells you may use, like 18650 Li-Ion cylindrical types. And some have tubular stainless steel bodies, that could be repurposed if you are skilled in engineering.

    The 'Puff Bar' types have just a single electronic device, the Li cell, and the heater coil for the liquid vapouriser. This device looks exactly like an electret microphone, but with three wire connections, and an LED on the rear of it. It is an air-pressure activated power switch, presumably the sensor is a very insensitive microphone element. This is measured by the custom electronics, which turns on / off a power switch, and also drives the ornamental LED. The power switch is a clean on/off, with active high output, the LED is driven with variable brightness, maybe PWM control?


    I think there is some potential re-use for these pressure-switches. They are very simple to use, the wires are normally red and black to the battery +ve and -ve, with a blue wire to the switch output, the heater connects between this output and battery -ve.First tests suggest it's bounce-free, so it could be used to drive a T-type toggle flip-flop, giving Puff-On / Puff-Off action. This can then drive your own choice of switch.

    One use could be activation of a head-lamp, while your hands are busy. For example detecting at night, your hands have digger / pinpoint probe / detector to take care of. A 'boom mic' with the pressure switch on it could be easily integrated into a head-lamp.

    Cycling at night, particularly off-roading, is another use. Your hands are busy with steering/braking/gear-changing, turning on a lamp hands-free would be convenient.
    In the workshop, with soldering iron / solder / wire in your hands, some extra light could be needed.

    You could also link it to a radio-remote system, so you could switch on a desk lamp on your workbench, or a floodlight in your garage when you're servicing your car.
    Maybe control the on/off of a still camera / video camera / action-camera ?

    Where to find them ?
    Puff bars are littered where people go, and where litter is often discarded. Around the edges of a supermarket car park; near shops / bars; seating areas in public parks. Take a small plastic bag with you to put them in, they can leak, or be wet from condensation/rain, or if they've been damaged, the guts could be exposed. Even car-squashed ones can still give up the pressure switch intact.
    Many stores in my country have 'battery banks' where people can discard used batteries, for recycling / chemical recovery. I've recovered several reuseable vape devices from these 'bins' ( along with many laptop batteries full of 18650's, many AAA/AA NiMH rechargeables, unused 'Industrial' Duracell AA's in a box, and more )

    Observe some sensible handling / hygiene precautions. These things have been in someones mouth, and handled a lot. The vape liquid stinks, and some cleaning of the battery could be needed.
    When dismantling, be aware of the power of the Li cell. Many I have tested will give 10+ Amps when shorted, and the internal wiring in the vapes is thin, so red hot wiring is possible. Disconnect the cell first, then set about the electronics bits.

    I suggest getting them while you still can. It's likely their sale may be banned, or they will be heavily taxed so they are less viable.

    Attached some pics of some I've found. The cylindrical 09500 ( 9mm x 50mm ) is 320 mAh, from a 'Dinner Lady' disposable, some crazy flavour like cheesecake. The trademark-infringing 'Skitle' one does what you would expect, it stinks of the distinctive aroma of Skittles sweets.


    I'm not the first to see the potential of this 'Trash', I discovered that 'Big Clive' is a vape user, and has done several videos dismantling them, explaining how they work.
    Here is one of his videos on the subject:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N65DpT2nqEI
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  • #2
    I am having and using the most expensive and most luxurious one (on local market), the Drag 3 Voopoo mod.
    Also i have smaller one for mostly outdoor use.
    But those will stay untouched for very long time here, nothing to scrap from them, as far as i am concerned.
    Because black cloudy days are coming, where everything will cease to exist in a way we are used to.
    So, i am counting on those two for such "rainy days" when man can't buy antyhing similar anywhere.
    BTW Drag 3 is using 2x18650 / 2700mA batteries. Replaceable.
    The other one, the smaller one, is having closed battery, not replaceable.



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    • #3
      I'm currently working on a wireless charger wherever you are an electric cigarette will charge itself

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Orbit View Post
        I'm currently working on a wireless charger wherever you are an electric cigarette will charge itself
        I will be your first customer in case you make it!
        But you have to record the Youtube demonstration.
        The other day i got wirelless charger for my phone.
        https://www.amazon.com/Cellairis-Fas.../dp/B07B1TWKDL
        Tempted to open it and see what's inside.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ivconic View Post
          I will be your first customer in case you make it!
          But you have to record the Youtube demonstration.
          The other day i got wirelless charger for my phone.
          https://www.amazon.com/Cellairis-Fas.../dp/B07B1TWKDL
          Tempted to open it and see what's inside.

          How do you manage not to open ?

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          • #6
            i reckon when word gets round those single use ones will be banned, or taxed out of use.
            there is a real litter problem with them where i live, you see them everywhere mostly squashed on roads and car parks, which is bad for lithium cells.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sinclairuser View Post
              i reckon when word gets round those single use ones will be banned, or taxed out of use.
              there is a real litter problem with them where i live, you see them everywhere mostly squashed on roads and car parks, which is bad for lithium cells.
              I can only imagine who throws it around like that. The consumer society, the consumer mentality led to that situation.
              Over 20 years of living in very difficult conditions, in crises, one after another, we have learned here not to throw anything lightly.
              Admittedly, I can't boast that our streets are clean. Illiterate, uneducated, idiotic, with a low level of consciousness, cattle, throws garbage wherever it goes.
              And that makes me terribly angry. Penal policy is very restrictive in our country, but there are not enough human resources to implement it.
              I am especially sensitive to these topics because I live in a spa, in the middle of healthy nature. In a tourist place where a lot of tourists come during the season.
              And unfortunately, I notice; that every year the level of consciousness of these people is lower. It is as if new generations are becoming more and more dumb.
              So when the season starts (just starting) I mostly "hide" around the house or go far and high into the mountains. I can't stand the herd, the stampede, the noise, the "smells", the disfigured faces and the piles of garbage left behind.
              As far as electronic cigarettes are concerned; so it's easy enough to rearrange and become a "power bank". And if the battery is bad then it becomes a hazardous substance in nature.
              The world has gone crazy with this new technology. It all switched to Lipo batteries. The smaller the size and the greater the capacity and usability. But e-cigarettes are a much smaller problem than mobile phones.
              And what about electric cars? This is the greatest deception and fraud in the history of mankind! One charge of such a car requires a charging station, power of 500-600A.
              How many people did the USA have? How many electric cars would there be in the future? What would be the pressure on the power system?
              Let only 20% of people hook up their car to the charger at one time. Let's say a million people (in the USA), that's a million x 500A ... in a unit of time!
              It's obvious why I said it was a fierce scam. So all that technology will live very short. And what about all that waste?
              ...
              Okay, I'm off topic. What else can be extracted from an electronic cigarette?

              Well, almost nothing. The heater is specific, very delicate, it cannot be used for anything else.
              ..
              Here in our country, the public debate on the exploitation of lithium ore is very current.

              The state tried to make some illegal and anti-national agreements. The people rose to their feet and temporarily prevented it.
              So, whether I like it or not, I learned and heard a lot during those events. It is a very "dirty" technology that destroys nature for a long time.
              And that is until the final product is reached; lithium batteries. And then that battery is used and discarded for a relatively short time.
              And again, it becomes a very "dirty" material, which pollutes nature for an equally long period. The world has gone crazy. What led to all this?
              The answer is simple and clear; race for earnings, accumulation of capital. Reckless, unplanned, without much intelligence.
              Contemplate the rest by yourself ... yet this is just a technical forum.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Orbit View Post
                How do you manage not to open ?
                Eventually i will open it!
                Before i got it, many times i wanted to diy something like that.
                But the prices went down so it is affordable, why make it now?
                I would like to examine the possibility of using it to charge anything else too.
                Seems this one is too "intelligent". It recognizes the phone and then "decide" how fast it will charge it!??
                So, must be some "information" else that it reads from the phone?! Not sure!?
                And the phone i use is rather obsolete, Samsung S7. Yet it has such funny features...
                Here is S7 and S3 Note put on charger:

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                • #9
                  Which ultimately brings us to the point of this story.
                  I would like to "galvanically" disconnect the Deus from the mains while it is charging.
                  So, I'm interested in how to make an "adapter" for this wireless charger, with which I will charge the Deus.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ivconic View Post
                    Eventually i will open it!
                    Before i got it, many times i wanted to diy something like that.
                    But the prices went down so it is affordable, why make it now?
                    I would like to examine the possibility of using it to charge anything else too.
                    Seems this one is too "intelligent". It recognizes the phone and then "decide" how fast it will charge it!??
                    So, must be some "information" else that it reads from the phone?! Not sure!?
                    And the phone i use is rather obsolete, Samsung S7. Yet it has such funny features...
                    Here is S7 and S3 Note put on charger:

                    And the electric toothbrush has a wireless charger I think I have that charger somewhere..

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                    • #11
                      Here is a spec sheet for one of these pressure switch devices:
                      https://wap.china.cn/Sensors/1209165...?t=description
                      Interesting points:
                      * Standby current is only 3 microamps - it has to be super-low, as these puff bars are made and charged in China.
                      * It looks like the sensor also acts as a charging regulator ? This could be a useful feature , though it does make it Li battery-specific, you couldn't power it from a 5 Volt supply, for example.
                      * The power switch can handle 1.5 Amps. I noticed the spec for the smaller of my puff bars was 'Coil = 1.6 Ohms' , which would imply a load current of over 2 Amps.
                      * The sensor is sampled, approx 30 times per second. This may stop it being false-triggered by vibration/drops/rough handling.
                      * The LED can indicate low-battery condition ( 3.3V threshold ) - so if the sensor holes were taped-up so it never triggered, it could be used as a stand-alone battery indicator. Maybe it could monitor other voltages, if an external divider/dropper network was used, for example dropper diodes.?

                      ------------
                      Some notes about the Lithium cells:
                      Sometimes, the capacity is marked on the cell in Wh , Watt-hours. This is the multiplication of Ah ( Amp-hours ) and a nominal voltage of 3.7 Volts
                      Wh = 3.7 * Ah

                      so to calculate Ah, take the Wh figure and divide it by 3.7
                      Ah = Wh / 3.7

                      So as an example, a cell marked 1.184 Wh has a capacity of 320 mAh

                      Cylindrical cells are marked with a 5-digit code that relates to their diameter and length, the first two digits are diameter, the last 3 are length.
                      So '20400' is 20mm diameter, 40mm long; '09500' is 9mm diameter, 50mm long.
                      Rectangular cells have a 6-digit size code that denoted their Thickness ( in tenths of mm ), Width, Length. So '501447' is 5.0mm thick, 14mm wide, 47mm long; size '801640' is 8mm x 16mm x 40mm.

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                      • #12
                        Here's my collection of "essentials" to feed me addictions.

                        Good information on battery repurpose. Will keep an eye out for those after local carnival " fetes".

                        I'm tempted to teardown the smok pozz, looks like micro inside for sure, pretty sophisticated firmware, or maybe not. I think it can be upgraded via USB. Not sure.
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                        • #13
                          I've picked up four more disposables in the past few days, three were perfect, one squashed, but the pressure sensor OK. Todays one was another popular 'Elfbar 600' , this one caught my eye as it was white, 'Cotton Candy' flavour .. smells kinda nice, would be a good laundry fabric conditioner fragrance, but I'm not sure why anyone would want to vape it ...

                          I was looking into the legal status of these puff bars, and it turns out the large 'Elux Legend 3500' is not legal here in the U.K, as its total nicotine content is way above the maximum permitted; it's equivalent to over 100 cigarettes, apparently. But they're still being sold, as I've seen two squashed ones, in addition to the good one I've shown in one of my previous pics.

                          I've just remembered I have a wind-up LED torch ( flashlight ) that has a dead Li battery inside it. So there's a simple project to repurpose one of my vape cells, I'm feeling good about trash recycling.

                          I had another thought about triggering things remotely with the pressure-switch: Infra-red would be a very viable method. Many of us will have IR remote controls from obsolete TV/VCR/hi-fi equipment. These commonly run off two AA or AAA cells, so about 3V, roughly the voltage of a Li cell, and of course they have microscopic standby current draw. So interfacing the stripped-down guts of a remote control to a pressure-switch should be pretty easy. I assume they use some multiplexing method to scan the many buttons on a keypad, so an analogue switch IC, like the 'Tiny Logic' version of a '4066' would be needed to mimic a keypush. There is a TinyLogic D-type latch , with options of Q or Q-bar outputs . Using the Q-bar version means you can create a toggle-type behaviour, and a single XOR gate can generate a short pulse on every edge-transition, to trigger the IR circuit. On the IR recieve side, you don't strictly have to decode the data burst, if there's no other IR gadgets in use.

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                          • #14
                            Thanks for the great read guys! I found this thread really interesting! Regards, Marty.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Skippy View Post
                              ..., as its total nicotine content is way above the maximum permitted; it's equivalent to over 100 cigarettes, apparently...
                              The main trick with these vape products is not to inhale all these vapors literally.
                              I didn't know that right at the start when I bought Drag 3.
                              Drag 3 is strong 177W !!!
                              I started with a 60w heater. To try.
                              I set it to 30W with the help of the menu. And the mixture of liquids was: ordinary oil without nicotine 50% and oil with aroma and with 4% nicotine 50%.
                              I took first smoke and inhaled it ... at that moment my brain stopped!
                              I fell off the chair suffocating!
                              Tears in the eyes, suffocation, a terrible feeling. It took me 10 minutes to get back to life.
                              "I'm probably wrong about something," I thought.
                              Then I reviewed dozens of demonstrations on Youtube.
                              Vapor is not inhaled. Vapor is "puffed". Similar to Cuban cigars. You don't inhale from them... or you dead on the spot!
                              And then from that smoke (steam) that you expel, you pick up one part from the air and inhale.
                              Very small part.
                              It's a new kind of enjoyment. To create huge clouds of steam around you, with the aroma and feeling of real tobacco smoke. But it is not smoke but water vapor.
                              And everything is dosed so that you inhale much less harmful ingredients than with a regular cigarette.
                              And you do not pose any danger to the environment. There are no "passive" smokers around you that way.
                              And indeed, it is a better kind of enjoyment than cigarettes, it is only necessary to learn how to do it.
                              I did not give up cigarettes. Because the Drag 3 is a big inconvenient device to carry with you outside.
                              It wasn't until much later that I bought a smaller e-cigarette that was convenient to carry around.
                              But my weak will and weak character did not last and I went back to cigarettes.
                              But in case of some cataclysm and if everything stops working and exists; it will serve me instead of cigarettes.
                              And sometimes I remember having them, so I use them.
                              But with Drag 3 I don't adjust the power to more than 30W and I make a mixture with very little nicotine, less than 2%.
                              The room where I use Drag 3 smells very nice.
                              There is no dust like real cigarettes, everything is water vapor and everything disappears and leaves no traces and consequences.
                              I only buy licensed oil that has passed all health checks.
                              And I'm waiting for the day when the final hemp oil adapted for Drag 3 will appear !!!

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