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    Q-multiplier, NASA and the BLACK HOLE ANTENNA

    There was a joke set by the (R)EMI grop in 1st April about BLACK HOLE ANTENNA of NASA.
    The joke is that there no joke:-). However there is an error made of NASA experts when they simulate by SPICE a wrong circuit diagram of Q-multiplier.
    But let's start with something extremely simple - a circuit diagram of Rev Thomas Scarborough.
    If you search this forum for "scarborough", you will find the following circuit diagram posted in 11-17-2006. Can you SPICE simulate it?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by mikebg View Post


    However there is an error made of NASA experts when they simulate by SPICE a wrong circuit diagram of Q-multiplier.

    Hi Mike,
    how do you know that NASA expert simulate circuit diagram of Q-multiplier by Spice? What error they made during those simulation?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by WM6 View Post
      Hi Mike,
      how do you know that NASA expert simulate circuit diagram of Q-multiplier by Spice? What error they made during those simulation?
      WM6, I don't know, but experts of the (R)EMI group insist that the following circuit diagram is incompetent like above circuit diagram of Rev Thomas Scarborough.
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      • #4
        SPICE table of NASA

        I see an error made by (R)EMI group because the original is not clear. The capacitor 110pF shown above as C6 - COIL (AND TRIM) CAPACITANCE should be noted as C5 according the following SPICE table:
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        • #5
          The answer

          I have an image for attachment in this thread, but I have not a draft with an explanation of circuits below. This is visual answer to this puzzle. If
          someone does not understand the answer made by attached image or have any other questions for "black
          hole antenna" of NASA, let ask. I am obliged to seek answers.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by mikebg View Post
            I have an image for attachment in this thread, but I have not a draft with an explanation of circuits below. This is visual answer to this puzzle. If
            someone does not understand the answer made by attached image or have any other questions for "black
            hole antenna" of NASA, let ask. I am obliged to seek answers.
            Your puzzle says "CCO" = "BAD circuit". That "bad circuit" detects old Victorian penny at a distance of 180mm (coil is a 2 * 120mm), as the average TGSL almost twice higher coil (coil is a 2 * 200mm). Do not insult someone TGSL is a good and stable machine. The CCO is a very unstable (due to the radio), but is given as an experimental idea. TGSL = capacitors-28 pcs., diodes-10 pcs., resistor-54 pcs., transistor-9 pc., integrated circuits-14 pcs. "CCO = integrated circuit-1 pc., capacitor-1 pc."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by maikl View Post
              Your puzzle says "CCO" = "BAD circuit"
              Maikl, this is not true! The puzzle says "This is a bad circuit".
              Do not mix up an well working principle with an incompetent designed circuit diagram.
              BAD CIRCUIT means that because lack of knowledge, its designer did not observe basic rules.
              Each oscillator is an amplifier with positive feedback. If it is properly designed, when the feedback is interrupted, the amplifier will have an operating point and will give a great amplification of noise.
              The circuit diagram in posting #1 can not do that because of the incompetence of its designer. In fact the circuit oscillates at high frequency only because of stray capacitances and protection diodes in input of opamp. For proper design, TX coil L1 should not be connected to pin 2, but to a point where can flow TX current. Furthermore, pin 3 should receive intermediate voltage 6V via a resistor to establish operating point. Even the 12V supply voltage is choosen incompetent. A properly designed such circuit can operate with smaller voltage.
              The principle of operation CCO or IBR (induction balanced regenerator) provides many more opportunities than you indicate in your posting. Leslie Goddard began to use this principle in amateur projects since 60's. I improved her design HOUNDOG achieving results with this principle as a conventional VLF metal detector. I posted on the forum so much information about the benefits of this principle and its use for improving of BFO, that I wonder why you not have read them.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by mikebg View Post
                Maikl, this is not true! The puzzle says "This is a bad circuit".
                Do not mix up an well working principle with an incompetent designed circuit diagram.
                BAD CIRCUIT means that because lack of knowledge, its designer did not observe basic rules.
                Each oscillator is an amplifier with positive feedback. If it is properly designed, when the feedback is interrupted, the amplifier will have an operating point and will give a great amplification of noise.
                The circuit diagram in posting #1 can not do that because of the incompetence of its designer. In fact the circuit oscillates at high frequency only because of stray capacitances and protection diodes in input of opamp. For proper design, TX coil L1 should not be connected to pin 2, but to a point where can flow TX current. Furthermore, pin 3 should receive intermediate voltage 6V via a resistor to establish operating point. Even the 12V supply voltage is choosen incompetent. A properly designed such circuit can operate with smaller voltage.
                The principle of operation CCO or IBR (induction balanced regenerator) provides many more opportunities than you indicate in your posting. Leslie Goddard began to use this principle in amateur projects since 60's. I improved her design HOUNDOG achieving results with this principle as a conventional VLF metal detector. I posted on the forum so much information about the benefits of this principle and its use for improving of BFO, that I wonder why you not have read them.
                Hi mikebg. I regularly read the new posts on Geotech. I thought you were in "general" against CCO design. You have a lot of interesting ideas:
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                • #9
                  This last is most interesting. Tell me what is the value of R =? and in which BFO to join? Is the picture 2 part of the answer to my question?
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                  • #10
                    Maikl, the search oscillator is only a part of BFO type metal detector. The circuit in posting #1 is not metal detector, despite the misleding title. Search this forum or WEB for block diagram of BFO metal detector to understand what should contain the whole circuit. In designs made by Rev. Thomas Scarborough, the MW radio operates as BFO (beat frequency oscillator) to produce audible signal. However there are other solutions without BFO despite the name remains (for example with buzzer or LEDs instead BFO). The correct name of these designs should be "frequency shift metal detector".
                    If you wish to build a complete operating BFO type detector (without MW radio) you can make HOUNDOG or the circuit of Macario (variant with CD4046).
                    Here is attached another circuit of search oscillator designed by Rev. Thomas Scarborough. This is not bad circuit. Current can flow though TX coil and operating point in pin 5 is allways half of supply voltage because there are resistors inside IC. The circuit is simplified variant of HOUNDOG.
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                    • #11
                      I'm not even interested in the development of BFO.TARSOS'm interested to make (your answer will be no good to block diagram). The CCO in the picture is one of many designs (coin from 27mm to 150mm detected). Some CCO with transistors. Design of # 1 is the best (the last in a series) by the author.

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                      • #12
                        AN ELECTRONIC BIBLE

                        An of electronics bible is: "The Art of Electronics" by Paul Horowitz and Winfield Hill
                        In this 30 years old electronic bible there are pages with BAD CIRCUITS.
                        Note Fig. K in the attached page. Now Maikl knows that here should be connected a resistor. Soon Maikl will know how to calculate the resistance of this resistor, because he will start to read textbooks. But what knows for this circuit an "expert" who was the world's most widely published electronics designer for last year. He has well
                        over 100 designs in print, as well as many in circulation on the Internet.
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                        • #13
                          The Rev. and the Bible

                          Participants in this forum, who can not translate the title of "Rev" in their native language, should know that it stands
                          for the word "Reverend" - a title used before the name of a minister of the Christian church. In american English
                          there is a point after abbreviation, ie "Rev.", but there is no point in British English and sometimes is written as
                          "Revd".
                          Rev. Thomas Scarborough was the world's most widely published electronics designer for last year. He has well
                          over 100 designs in print, as well as many in circulation on the Internet. Here is abstract from an interview:
                          "I began to do electronics in my teens. I had been in ministry for more than ten years before I had my first break as a
                          writer. Alan Winstanley of Everyday Practical Electronics magazine had been commissioned with reviving a popular
                          column, and I had many small designs published there. Then Alan suggested that I should try a constructional article
                          -- a "spread". My first major article was the world's first capacitor-powered flashlight, which was just possible with the
                          technology of the time."

                          "I did wonder what God had in mind with my electronics -- it didn't seem to relate to my calling. But it all came
                          together when I was accepted for a postgraduate degree at Fuller Theological Seminary in Los Angeles. If it hadn't
                          been for the determination and the skills that I learnt through electronics, and the funding, I doubt that I would have
                          been able to do it. I think God may often work like that. "
                          Here is another page from the electronic bible:
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                          • #14
                            The category BAD CIRCUITS

                            To become an amateur a good designer of electronic circuits, he must have read, studied and understood not only
                            the basic principles of electricity, but few textbooks for electronics. Otherwise, even the Lord does not agree to such
                            a fate, the incompetent designed circuits will fall into the category "BAD CIRCUITS", which you can see in the
                            textbook "The Art of Electronics" by Paul Horowitz and Winfield Hill - a popular textbook dealing with analog and
                            digital electronics. The first edition was in 1980.
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                            • #15
                              The new edition of electronic Bible in Jan. 2011

                              "The art of electronics" is sometimes referred to as the "electronics bible", and remains a popular text. Its most
                              recent (2nd) edition in English was released in 1989 and has been regularly reprinted afterwards: 1990 (twice),
                              1991, 1993, 1994 (twice), 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 (twice), 1999, 2001.
                              I have downloaded for free a scan in *djvu format. The file is 15.2MB zip.
                              The 2nd edition is in some respects out of date, referencing obsolete electronic components and omitting
                              technologies developed since it was written. Because of this, the third edition is widely anticipated. In an
                              undergraduate physics course at Harvard lectured by Paul Horowitz, the January 2010 syllabus mentions that there is
                              a "new edition coming by Jan. 2011" - 22 years afther last edition. However radio amateurs in Russia insist that the
                              book has 5 editions in Russian. Surely these are reprints (not edited).
                              Here is another page with bad circuits.
                              Search WEB for the old edition. It contains not only bad circuits.
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