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    Hi folks,


    What a morning! Put the nets out last night and


    caught about 3 and a half kilos of Yabbies and


    three beautiful little Rainbow trout on a jig with


    a Rod. Exciting stuff!




    Continuing on in the "Geochemical" instruction


    book. Page 24.


    STEP#3: Put 20 grams of 80 mesh screened sample


    into a clean jar[it must be rinsed with distilled water].


    Add 40 ML of distilled water to this sample and stir


    very thoroughly for several minutes.


    If you have more than one sample use the low cost plastic foam cups bought from any grocery store. Pour 40 ML of distilled water into each cup


    and add 20 gram of sample to each cup. It is possible to use only 10 Grams of sample and 20 ML


    of water.That is always twice as much water as


    sample by weight. If you have no ML measuring cup


    merely use grams of water. That is,if you have 20


    grams of sample, weigh out 40 grams of water,or if


    10 grams of sample use 20 grams of distilled water.


    STEP #4: PUT THE SAMPLE LIQUID INTO THE


    GEOCHEMICAL METER CUP.


    Now pour the liquid from each sample into the cup


    on top of the Geochemical Meter. The liquid must


    completely cover the little stainless steel button on


    the top of the meter cup. Wash out the Geochemical


    Meter cup after each sample is read. To do this,


    hold the Geochemical upside down and use a good stream of distilled water from a plastic squeeze bottle.


    STEP 5#: ADJUST THE METER.


    If you don't have a pretty good idea what the reading will be[which is most of the time] put the


    meter switch on the highest number[1000] before


    you push the button. Continuously pegging the


    meter can eventually damage it.Always make the reading on the most sensitive scale[lowest] scale.


    Any time the needle reads less than one on the meter face, turn the switch to the next lower reading.


    STEP 6#: DETERMINE THE PROPER READING.


    The meter reading is determined by both the switch


    setting and the needle reading. Multiply the reading


    on the needle by the switch setting for the reading.


    The reading is in microhomos which is a unit of


    conductance,but this is not important. Simply use


    your reading as given by the meter and switch


    setting.


    STEP 7#: RECORD THE READINGS.


    Keep a sheet of readings. Be sure to number each


    sample reading on the sheet. This will be later transfered to your map grid.


    STEP 8#: IMMEDIATELY CLEAN OUT THE CUP


    ON THE GEOCHEMICAL METER.


    It is extremely important to wash out the cup within


    a minute after reading the last sample. The chemicals in the ore can damage the tiny wire in the cup.Always wash out with distilled water.


    Be sure to wash the meter clean and your sample cup clean with distilled water before and after each test. Use a squeeze bottle . That conserves distilled


    water.


    STEP9#: TRANSFER THE READINGS TO THE GRID ON THE MAP.


    Draw a line around the areas that read the highest.


    STEP10#: FURTHER SAMPLING.


    Go to the areas that read the highest and do more sampling on a 25 foot grid or even a 10 foot grid.


    Transfer those readings to the map.


    Once step 10 is completed you should be ready to start digging. Do sampling in the hole as you go down. If you have a drill it would be best to drill a


    number of test holes and run a geochemical every


    5 feet as you go down. After you have several holes


    drilled and tested you will have a much better idea


    of where the treasure might lie. make a drawing of


    a cross section of the ground and list the meter


    readings. you will soon see a trend in one direction or the other and that will tell you where to drill the next hole.[use only dry drilling as a water drill will


    prevent the geochemical tests]


    . If you would like more


    infomation, the Geochemical Book can be bought


    for the pricely sum of about $11 US[97 price]


    from "Action Mining".....www.actionmining.com


    Just order a catalogue.


    Cheers all and have fun!


    Marsh.

  • #2
    Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

    sounds like a simple conductivity meter..


    and a cheap one at that (no design to prevent


    damage to meter) with no specificity at all...


    glad me no buy this product--or the claims about..


    resistance is the reciprocal of conductance..


    r=1/s (s=conductance in siemens r=resistance in ohms)


    the terms "siemen(s)" and "mho(s)" are interchangeable


    reg-rick


    >Hi folks,


    >What a morning! Put the nets out last night and


    >caught about 3 and a half kilos of Yabbies and


    >three beautiful little Rainbow trout on a jig with


    >a Rod. Exciting stuff!


    >


    >Continuing on in the "Geochemical" instruction


    >book. Page 24.


    >STEP#3: Put 20 grams of 80 mesh screened sample


    >into a clean jar[it must be rinsed with distilled water].


    >Add 40 ML of distilled water to this sample and stir


    >very thoroughly for several minutes.


    > If you have more than one sample use the low cost plastic foam cups bought from any grocery store. Pour 40 ML of distilled water into each cup


    >and add 20 gram of sample to each cup. It is possible to use only 10 Grams of sample and 20 ML


    >of water.That is always twice as much water as


    >sample by weight. If you have no ML measuring cup


    >merely use grams of water. That is,if you have 20


    >grams of sample, weigh out 40 grams of water,or if


    >10 grams of sample use 20 grams of distilled water.


    >STEP #4: PUT THE SAMPLE LIQUID INTO THE


    >GEOCHEMICAL METER CUP.


    >Now pour the liquid from each sample into the cup


    >on top of the Geochemical Meter. The liquid must


    >completely cover the little stainless steel button on


    >the top of the meter cup. Wash out the Geochemical


    >Meter cup after each sample is read. To do this,


    >hold the Geochemical upside down and use a good stream of distilled water from a plastic squeeze bottle.


    >STEP 5#: ADJUST THE METER.


    >If you don't have a pretty good idea what the reading will be[which is most of the time] put the


    >meter switch on the highest number[1000] before


    >you push the button. Continuously pegging the


    >meter can eventually damage it.Always make the reading on the most sensitive scale[lowest] scale.


    >Any time the needle reads less than one on the meter face, turn the switch to the next lower reading.


    >STEP 6#: DETERMINE THE PROPER READING.


    > The meter reading is determined by both the switch


    >setting and the needle reading. Multiply the reading


    >on the needle by the switch setting for the reading.


    >The reading is in microhomos which is a unit of


    >conductance,but this is not important. Simply use


    >your reading as given by the meter and switch


    >setting.


    >STEP 7#: RECORD THE READINGS.


    >Keep a sheet of readings. Be sure to number each


    >sample reading on the sheet. This will be later transfered to your map grid.


    >STEP 8#: IMMEDIATELY CLEAN OUT THE CUP


    >ON THE GEOCHEMICAL METER.


    >It is extremely important to wash out the cup within


    >a minute after reading the last sample. The chemicals in the ore can damage the tiny wire in the cup.Always wash out with distilled water.


    >Be sure to wash the meter clean and your sample cup clean with distilled water before and after each test. Use a squeeze bottle . That conserves distilled


    >water.


    >STEP9#: TRANSFER THE READINGS TO THE GRID ON THE MAP.


    >Draw a line around the areas that read the highest.


    >STEP10#: FURTHER SAMPLING.


    > Go to the areas that read the highest and do more sampling on a 25 foot grid or even a 10 foot grid.


    >Transfer those readings to the map.


    > Once step 10 is completed you should be ready to start digging. Do sampling in the hole as you go down. If you have a drill it would be best to drill a


    >number of test holes and run a geochemical every


    >5 feet as you go down. After you have several holes


    >drilled and tested you will have a much better idea


    >of where the treasure might lie. make a drawing of


    >a cross section of the ground and list the meter


    >readings. you will soon see a trend in one direction or the other and that will tell you where to drill the next hole.[use only dry drilling as a water drill will


    >prevent the geochemical tests]


    > . If you would like more


    >infomation, the Geochemical Book can be bought


    >for the pricely sum of about $11 US[97 price]


    >from "Action Mining".....www.actionmining.com


    >Just order a catalogue.


    >Cheers all and have fun!


    >Marsh.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

      Rick : How about a Fluke 8020A DVM, and use 91% Alcohol to clean the probes with, no film, quick drying. The Fluke has Ns selection(nanosiemens) and range scales. I might give it a try this winter. Regards Marc


      >sounds like a simple conductivity meter..


      >and a cheap one at that (no design to prevent


      >damage to meter) with no specificity at all...


      >glad me no buy this product--or the claims about..


      >resistance is the reciprocal of conductance..


      >r=1/s (s=conductance in siemens r=resistance in ohms)


      >the terms "siemen(s)" and "mho(s)" are interchangeable


      >reg-rick

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

        Hello Rick,


        Thanks for your comments!


        The meter spoken of in the "Geochemical"


        Manual is a Myron EP 10.


        The small meter is a "Corning" CD 55.


        Are these cheap Meters and if not can you tell me


        where on the Internet someone could buy


        the same one,s for less .


        Are you saying that the Information in the "Geochemical" manual is dishonest and misleading?


        Thank you,


        Marsh.


        PS. Anyone else familar with these meters?

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

          my "position" is that if it was my product-in the


          interest of correctness at a minimum...to have a


          design that "pegging" the meter can cause damage-


          and to resolve this potential problem by having


          the customer do that to compensate---is totally


          unacceptable..the document presented is its own


          enemy/allie----stainless steel electrodes???


          there are many a type stainless steel-304,306,310...


          all of which are unacceptable---a typical "conductivity cell" uses platinum electrodes


          as material of choice..there is many more points


          also---and this document to the technically minded


          places things in the proper perspective..what if


          the field you are testing was a time ago for


          say moo moo cows........well they put out salt


          (nacl)blocks for them to lap on....the rain/salt


          urine/etc.....the spot you decide to dig might


          be just where the block sat the longest.....without


          any differentiation in that specific ions that cause


          the indication of conductivity ??????distilled water??


          even tripple distilled water----reverse osmosis---


          and so forth---ion exchange resins---zeolite.


          where for you to buy ???????me no say me know me


          no buy-----because of their document----and the


          viability of the techniqe----you decide...


          >Hello Rick,


          >Thanks for your comments!


          >The meter spoken of in the "Geochemical"


          >Manual is a Myron EP 10.


          >The small meter is a "Corning" CD 55.


          >Are these cheap Meters and if not can you tell me


          >where on the Internet someone could buy


          >the same one,s for less .


          >Are you saying that the Information in the "Geochemical" manual is dishonest and misleading?


          >Thank you,


          >Marsh.


          >PS. Anyone else familar with these meters?

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

            Rick: Thank you. I missed the Stainless Steel part. Stainless steel is a horrible conductor. The crystaline structure is highly resisent to DC voltages. One of the more common mistakes new engineers make is to just stainless steel as a conductive amterial. Its' claim to fame is it's lack of surface deteriation compared to steel or copper. Not its' electricial value. Regards Marc P.S. I could tell you stories about friends that wired boats for the Gulf with stainless and wondered why the lights didn't work. They replaced the conections with copper and it works. LOL Marc




            >my "position" is that if it was my product-in the


            >interest of correctness at a minimum...to have a


            >design that "pegging" the meter can cause damage-


            >and to resolve this potential problem by having


            >the customer do that to compensate---is totally


            >unacceptable..the document presented is its own


            >enemy/allie----stainless steel electrodes???


            >there are many a type stainless steel-304,306,310...


            >all of which are unacceptable---a typical "conductivity cell" uses platinum electrodes


            >as material of choice..there is many more points


            >also---and this document to the technically minded


            >places things in the proper perspective..what if


            >the field you are testing was a time ago for


            >say moo moo cows........well they put out salt


            >(nacl)blocks for them to lap on....the rain/salt


            >urine/etc.....the spot you decide to dig might


            >be just where the block sat the longest.....without


            >any differentiation in that specific ions that cause


            >the indication of conductivity ??????distilled water??


            >even tripple distilled water----reverse osmosis---


            >and so forth---ion exchange resins---zeolite.


            >where for you to buy ???????me no say me know me


            >no buy-----because of their document----and the


            >viability of the techniqe----you decide...


            >>Hello Rick,


            >>Thanks for your comments!


            >>The meter spoken of in the "Geochemical"


            >>Manual is a Myron EP 10.


            >>The small meter is a "Corning" CD 55.


            >>Are these cheap Meters and if not can you tell me


            >>where on the Internet someone could buy


            >>the same one,s for less .


            >>Are you saying that the Information in the "Geochemical" manual is dishonest and misleading?


            >>Thank you,


            >>Marsh.


            >>PS. Anyone else familar with these meters?

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

              you certainly could try this first---assumeadly you


              have meter---be aware of the instumentation limits


              you have---so as your mind to (hopefully)compensate-


              if you see cow dungs.......it would not cost any


              (9v) but still----frozen ground----me no never


              investigate conductivity hoh solid phase.....


              a little more to illistrate on document....a time


              ago was interested to purchase a small screen


              portable color tv....for tv as well as a color


              monitor for homemade computer..(even before trs80)


              well to shorten story some---me go in store-salesman suit talk...me say show me schematic on tv....


              many tv have no schematic then some did 50/50...


              no schmatic--me no buy---yes schematic me look---


              no not that one---no not that one either---then


              finally---all right this one---design looks clean


              ok and floor model--$75 less---sale...easy modify


              for computer---tv worked for ~20 years then the


              jug gassed (picture tube went bum)....


              >


              >Rick : How about a Fluke 8020A DVM, and use 91% Alcohol to clean the probes with, no film, quick drying. The Fluke has Ns selection(nanosiemens) and range scales. I might give it a try this winter. Regards Marc


              >>sounds like a simple conductivity meter..


              >>and a cheap one at that (no design to prevent


              >>damage to meter) with no specificity at all...


              >>glad me no buy this product--or the claims about..


              >>resistance is the reciprocal of conductance..


              >>r=1/s (s=conductance in siemens r=resistance in ohms)


              >>the terms "siemen(s)" and "mho(s)" are interchangeable


              >>reg-rick

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

                not because of bad conductor (electrical and/or


                thermal) but because of the lack of innertness...


                >


                >Rick: Thank you. I missed the Stainless Steel part. Stainless steel is a horrible conductor. The crystaline structure is highly resisent to DC voltages. One of the more common mistakes new engineers make is to just stainless steel as a conductive amterial. Its' claim to fame is it's lack of surface deteriation compared to steel or copper. Not its' electricial value. Regards Marc P.S. I could tell you stories about friends that wired boats for the Gulf with stainless and wondered why the lights didn't work. They replaced the conections with copper and it works. LOL Marc


                >


                >>my "position" is that if it was my product-in the


                >>interest of correctness at a minimum...to have a


                >>design that "pegging" the meter can cause damage-


                >>and to resolve this potential problem by having


                >>the customer do that to compensate---is totally


                >>unacceptable..the document presented is its own


                >>enemy/allie----stainless steel electrodes???


                >>there are many a type stainless steel-304,306,310...


                >>all of which are unacceptable---a typical "conductivity cell" uses platinum electrodes


                >>as material of choice..there is many more points


                >>also---and this document to the technically minded


                >>places things in the proper perspective..what if


                >>the field you are testing was a time ago for


                >>say moo moo cows........well they put out salt


                >>(nacl)blocks for them to lap on....the rain/salt


                >>urine/etc.....the spot you decide to dig might


                >>be just where the block sat the longest.....without


                >>any differentiation in that specific ions that cause


                >>the indication of conductivity ??????distilled water??


                >>even tripple distilled water----reverse osmosis---


                >>and so forth---ion exchange resins---zeolite.


                >>where for you to buy ???????me no say me know me


                >>no buy-----because of their document----and the


                >>viability of the techniqe----you decide...


                >


                >>>Hello Rick,


                >>>Thanks for your comments!


                >>>The meter spoken of in the "Geochemical"


                >>>Manual is a Myron EP 10.


                >>>The small meter is a "Corning" CD 55.


                >>>Are these cheap Meters and if not can you tell me


                >>>where on the Internet someone could buy


                >>>the same one,s for less .


                >>>Are you saying that the Information in the "Geochemical" manual is dishonest and misleading?


                >>>Thank you,


                >>>Marsh.


                >>>PS. Anyone else familar with these meters?

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

                  not because of bad conductor (electrical and/or


                  thermal) but because of the lack of innertness...


                  the resistance should matter if high current---


                  not on the current level of this type device


                  >


                  >Rick: Thank you. I missed the Stainless Steel part. Stainless steel is a horrible conductor. The crystaline structure is highly resisent to DC voltages. One of the more common mistakes new engineers make is to just stainless steel as a conductive amterial. Its' claim to fame is it's lack of surface deteriation compared to steel or copper. Not its' electricial value. Regards Marc P.S. I could tell you stories about friends that wired boats for the Gulf with stainless and wondered why the lights didn't work. They replaced the conections with copper and it works. LOL Marc


                  >


                  >>my "position" is that if it was my product-in the


                  >>interest of correctness at a minimum...to have a


                  >>design that "pegging" the meter can cause damage-


                  >>and to resolve this potential problem by having


                  >>the customer do that to compensate---is totally


                  >>unacceptable..the document presented is its own


                  >>enemy/allie----stainless steel electrodes???


                  >>there are many a type stainless steel-304,306,310...


                  >>all of which are unacceptable---a typical "conductivity cell" uses platinum electrodes


                  >>as material of choice..there is many more points


                  >>also---and this document to the technically minded


                  >>places things in the proper perspective..what if


                  >>the field you are testing was a time ago for


                  >>say moo moo cows........well they put out salt


                  >>(nacl)blocks for them to lap on....the rain/salt


                  >>urine/etc.....the spot you decide to dig might


                  >>be just where the block sat the longest.....without


                  >>any differentiation in that specific ions that cause


                  >>the indication of conductivity ??????distilled water??


                  >>even tripple distilled water----reverse osmosis---


                  >>and so forth---ion exchange resins---zeolite.


                  >>where for you to buy ???????me no say me know me


                  >>no buy-----because of their document----and the


                  >>viability of the techniqe----you decide...


                  >


                  >>>Hello Rick,


                  >>>Thanks for your comments!


                  >>>The meter spoken of in the "Geochemical"


                  >>>Manual is a Myron EP 10.


                  >>>The small meter is a "Corning" CD 55.


                  >>>Are these cheap Meters and if not can you tell me


                  >>>where on the Internet someone could buy


                  >>>the same one,s for less .


                  >>>Are you saying that the Information in the "Geochemical" manual is dishonest and misleading?


                  >>>Thank you,


                  >>>Marsh.


                  >>>PS. Anyone else familar with these meters?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: LOCATING BURIED TREASURES....part 2.

                    oh yea --jug went bum--tv never had any problem


                    ever--in that time...0...nada....zero...


                    >you certainly could try this first---assumeadly you


                    >have meter---be aware of the instumentation limits


                    >you have---so as your mind to (hopefully)compensate-


                    >if you see cow dungs.......it would not cost any


                    >(9v) but still----frozen ground----me no never


                    >investigate conductivity hoh solid phase.....


                    >a little more to illistrate on document....a time


                    >ago was interested to purchase a small screen


                    >portable color tv....for tv as well as a color


                    >monitor for homemade computer..(even before trs80)


                    >well to shorten story some---me go in store-salesman suit talk...me say show me schematic on tv....


                    >many tv have no schematic then some did 50/50...


                    >no schmatic--me no buy---yes schematic me look---


                    >no not that one---no not that one either---then


                    >finally---all right this one---design looks clean


                    >ok and floor model--$75 less---sale...easy modify


                    >for computer---tv worked for ~20 years then the


                    >jug gassed (picture tube went bum)....


                    >>


                    >>Rick : How about a Fluke 8020A DVM, and use 91% Alcohol to clean the probes with, no film, quick drying. The Fluke has Ns selection(nanosiemens) and range scales. I might give it a try this winter. Regards Marc


                    >>>sounds like a simple conductivity meter..


                    >>>and a cheap one at that (no design to prevent


                    >>>damage to meter) with no specificity at all...


                    >>>glad me no buy this product--or the claims about..


                    >>>resistance is the reciprocal of conductance..


                    >>>r=1/s (s=conductance in siemens r=resistance in ohms)


                    >>>the terms "siemen(s)" and "mho(s)" are interchangeable


                    >>>reg-rick

                    Comment

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