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    >Hi. I am new to this forum and do not have a terrible amount of electronics experience under my belt.


    >Can one build a better detector than what can be purchased commercially? For underwater use?


    >I would love to build a detector but don't know where to start.


    A pulse induction unit, maybe, but not a target I.D. VLF type detector. PI is what you want for underwater, but making everything waterproof is another challenge.


    - Carl

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    Re: To Build or Buy?

    >Hi. I am new to this forum and do not have a terrible amount of electronics experience under my belt.


    >Can one build a better detector than what can be purchased commercially? For underwater use?


    >I would love to build a detector but don't know where to start.


    A pulse induction unit, maybe, but not a target I.D. VLF type detector. PI is what you want for underwater, but making everything waterproof is another challenge.


    - Carl

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: To Build or Buy?

      >Hi. I am new to this forum and do not have a terrible amount of electronics experience under my belt.


      >Can one build a better detector than what can be purchased commercially? For underwater use?


      >I would love to build a detector but don't know where to start.


      A pulse induction unit, maybe, but not a target I.D. VLF type detector. PI is what you want for underwater, but making everything waterproof is another challenge.


      - Carl

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: To Build or Buy?

        >Hi. I am new to this forum and do not have a terrible amount of electronics experience under my belt.


        >Can one build a better detector than what can be purchased commercially? For underwater use?


        >I would love to build a detector but don't know where to start.


        A pulse induction unit, maybe, but not a target I.D. VLF type detector. PI is what you want for underwater, but making everything waterproof is another challenge.


        - Carl

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: To Build or Buy?

          >>Hi. I am new to this forum and do not have a terrible amount of electronics experience under my belt.


          >>Can one build a better detector than what can be purchased commercially? For underwater use?


          >>I would love to build a detector but don't know where to start.


          >A pulse induction unit, maybe, but not a target I.D. VLF type detector. PI is what you want for underwater, but making everything waterproof is another challenge.


          >- Carl


          Carl, we have been building and using underwater


          camera housings with strobes and such for over 35


          years. Water proofing is not a problem today. I


          agree that PI is the way to go, also getting back


          to the "click" type of indicator, rather than the


          continuous tone is much better for UW work.

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: To Build or Buy?

            >>Hi. I am new to this forum and do not have a terrible amount of electronics experience under my belt.


            >>Can one build a better detector than what can be purchased commercially? For underwater use?


            >>I would love to build a detector but don't know where to start.


            >A pulse induction unit, maybe, but not a target I.D. VLF type detector. PI is what you want for underwater, but making everything waterproof is another challenge.


            >- Carl


            Carl, we have been building and using underwater


            camera housings with strobes and such for over 35


            years. Water proofing is not a problem today. I


            agree that PI is the way to go, also getting back


            to the "click" type of indicator, rather than the


            continuous tone is much better for UW work.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: To Build or Buy?

              >>Hi. I am new to this forum and do not have a terrible amount of electronics experience under my belt.


              >>Can one build a better detector than what can be purchased commercially? For underwater use?


              >>I would love to build a detector but don't know where to start.


              >A pulse induction unit, maybe, but not a target I.D. VLF type detector. PI is what you want for underwater, but making everything waterproof is another challenge.


              >- Carl


              Carl, we have been building and using underwater


              camera housings with strobes and such for over 35


              years. Water proofing is not a problem today. I


              agree that PI is the way to go, also getting back


              to the "click" type of indicator, rather than the


              continuous tone is much better for UW work.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: To Build or Buy?

                >>Hi. I am new to this forum and do not have a terrible amount of electronics experience under my belt.


                >>Can one build a better detector than what can be purchased commercially? For underwater use?


                >>I would love to build a detector but don't know where to start.


                >A pulse induction unit, maybe, but not a target I.D. VLF type detector. PI is what you want for underwater, but making everything waterproof is another challenge.


                >- Carl


                Carl, we have been building and using underwater


                camera housings with strobes and such for over 35


                years. Water proofing is not a problem today. I


                agree that PI is the way to go, also getting back


                to the "click" type of indicator, rather than the


                continuous tone is much better for UW work.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: To Build or Buy?

                  >Carl, we have been building and using underwater camera housings with strobes and such for over 35 years. Water proofing is not a problem today.


                  Maybe you can offer some info on how to make or where to get good waterproof housings. I have no knowledge in this area. Also a source of waterproof sound transducers.


                  >I agree that PI is the way to go, also getting back to the "click" type of indicator, rather than the continuous tone is much better for UW work.


                  Yes, I agree.


                  - Carl

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: To Build or Buy?

                    >Carl, we have been building and using underwater camera housings with strobes and such for over 35 years. Water proofing is not a problem today.


                    Maybe you can offer some info on how to make or where to get good waterproof housings. I have no knowledge in this area. Also a source of waterproof sound transducers.


                    >I agree that PI is the way to go, also getting back to the "click" type of indicator, rather than the continuous tone is much better for UW work.


                    Yes, I agree.


                    - Carl

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: To Build or Buy?

                      >Carl, we have been building and using underwater camera housings with strobes and such for over 35 years. Water proofing is not a problem today.


                      Maybe you can offer some info on how to make or where to get good waterproof housings. I have no knowledge in this area. Also a source of waterproof sound transducers.


                      >I agree that PI is the way to go, also getting back to the "click" type of indicator, rather than the continuous tone is much better for UW work.


                      Yes, I agree.


                      - Carl

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: To Build or Buy?

                        >Carl, we have been building and using underwater camera housings with strobes and such for over 35 years. Water proofing is not a problem today.


                        Maybe you can offer some info on how to make or where to get good waterproof housings. I have no knowledge in this area. Also a source of waterproof sound transducers.


                        >I agree that PI is the way to go, also getting back to the "click" type of indicator, rather than the continuous tone is much better for UW work.


                        Yes, I agree.


                        - Carl

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Magnetic Methods Used In Prospecting

                          MAGNETIC METHODS from SUGGESTIONS FOR PROSPECTING, U.S. Department


                          of the


                          Interior/Geological Survey, USGPO, 1978.


                          Magnetic prospecting is based on the natural magnetic properties of


                          some minerals


                          such as magnetite. When held near a magnetite-rich rock, the needle


                          in a compass


                          behaves erratically because the Earth's magnetic field is distorted


                          by the local


                          magnetic field. Minerals such as ilmenite (iron-titanium oxide),


                          hematite (iron


                          oxide), and pyrrhotite (iron sulfide), are weakly to moderately


                          magnetic, a prop-


                          erty that can be recorded by sensitive magnetic instruments.


                          The common unit of measure for the strength of a magnetic field is


                          the gamma


                          [1gamma = 1 nT - das]. Where not disturbed by highly magnetic


                          rocks, the strength


                          of the Earth's magnetic field in the conterminous United States in


                          1975 ranged


                          from a low of about 48,000 gammas in Texas and Florida to a high of


                          60,00 gammas


                          in Minnesota.


                          Instruments called magnetometers are used for direct detection of


                          magnetic


                          anomalies (that is, the distortion of magnetic minerals in crustal


                          rocks superim-


                          posed on the Earth's magnetic field). The magnetic readings over


                          weakly magnetic


                          host rocks may depart from local average, or "background," values by


                          10 to 500


                          gammas, [Heylmun says: "The typical anomaly ranges from 10 to 1,000


                          gammas and the


                          stronger anomalies warrant attention." - das] but over magnetic iron


                          formations


                          the readings may depart from background by 100 to 100,000 gammas.


                          The magnetom-


                          eter can also be used to trace concealed rock formations that have


                          magnetic prop-


                          erties differing from those of adjacent formation. For example a


                          prospector may


                          know that copper is associated with an igneous rock such as quartz


                          monzonite, if,


                          as is often true, the quartz monzonite differs noticeable in


                          magnetic response


                          from the surrounding rocks, the magnetometer can be used to detect


                          it beneath


                          soil, talus, or other cover. Similarly the "black sand" of placer


                          deposits com-


                          monly contains grains of magnetite or ilmenite that affect the


                          magnetometer. This


                          instrument, therefore, can be used indirectly in the search for gold


                          or other


                          heavy minerals present in the black sand.


                          Some years ago the dip needle, a simple instrument using a pivoted


                          magnetized


                          needle, was often used to measure the magnetic field when great


                          sensitivity was


                          not required. Dip needles are no long manufactured, [??-das] as


                          various types of


                          more sensitive magnetometers have replaced them. These modern


                          magnetometers can


                          measure directly the total intensity of the Earth's magnetic field


                          at any one


                          place or can measure the intensity in either the vertical or the


                          horizontal direc-


                          tion of the field.


                          In a torsion magnetometer, a small magnet is attached to a fiber in


                          such a ways


                          that the magnet twists the fiber in proportion to the intensity of


                          the magnetic


                          field as measured in the vertical direction. The fluxgate


                          magnetometer is an


                          electronic device that uses a magnetic core that becomes "saturated"


                          in the


                          Earth's field to measure the strength of the field in the vertical


                          direction.


                          The basis sensing element for a proton magnetometer consists of a


                          container filled


                          with a proton-rich liquid such as water [Everybody now says


                          DISTILLED (with no


                          dissolved oxygen per Jim Koehler) water - das] or kerosene


                          surrounded by a coil of


                          wire. The protons within the liquid are subatomic particles that


                          spin about rota-


                          tional axes somewhat like the Earth spins on its axis, completing


                          one turn per


                          day. The frequency with which the spin axes of the protons wobble,


                          or "precess,"


                          after being excited by a current passed through the coil, is


                          directly related to


                          the strength of the Earth's field. This frequency is measured and


                          converted into


                          readings in units of gammas. The proton magnetometer measures the


                          total intensity


                          of the Earth's field rather than the intensity in the vertical or


                          other direction.


                          Many commercial magnetometers range in price from US$1000 to


                          US$5,000. [1978


                          prices - das] The less expensive ones are accurate to only about 20


                          gammas or


                          less. The most expensive are accurate to about 1/4 gamma.


                          Magnetic surveys may be conducted either along a series of lines or


                          in a grid pat-


                          tern. The size of the area being prospected and the type of deposit


                          being sought


                          determines the spacing of station. Stations spaced 10 to 20 feet (3


                          to 6 meters


                          approx.) apart [Jim Koehler mentions 1 meter spacing, I believe and


                          for placer de-


                          posits, I THINK I may agree with that - das] may be required to


                          locate small mag-


                          netic anomalies associated with weak or moderately magnetic rocks,


                          but stations


                          spaced 100 feet (30 meters approx.) or more apart may suffice if the


                          presence of


                          highly magnetic rocks is suspected in a large area. Powerlines,


                          rails, automo-


                          biles, and other large metallic objects should be avoided in any


                          type of magnetom-


                          eter survey because the create strong local magnetic fields that


                          mask the


                          anomalies inherent in the rocks.


                          Today most magnetic surveys are airborne or marine and use


                          total-field detecting


                          systems rather than measuring either the vertical or horizontal


                          component of the


                          Earth's magnetic field. These surveys provide comprehensive


                          reliable data about


                          regional magnetic trends. Ground magnetometer surveys are still


                          used however, to


                          locate anomalies from small subsurface structures.


                          End of "Magnetic Methods".


                          "Where geologic evidence indicates the possible presence of an


                          orebody, magnetom-


                          eter measurements may help discern anomalies likely to represent


                          valuable mineral


                          deposits."

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