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  • PPM-MarkIII for underwater surveys

    Hi all,

    Up to now, we have concentrated our efforts to make a good PPM for underground surveys and this is now accomplished with our PPM-MarkIII version.
    However, we're perfectly aware of the fact that underwater surveys have an even more crucial need for a PPM instrumentdesigned and built specifically for that purpose.
    Thus, with the help of a client, we have now started the design of the underwater option of our PPM-MarkIII.

    What features do we need to add to the PPM-MarkIII to make it useable at sea/lake?

    1. The electronic system and its external connections should be sea water splash-proof.

    This is already the case for the standard control box (a NEMA box) but its standard connectors are only IP67-rated, not IP68-rated as it should be. Thus, one option is to replace the external connectors of the NEMA box with IP68-rated connectors.

    2. The surveys must be GPS-supported, preferably from the GPS of the boat.
    This is being designed as follows:
    a. The PPM supports a new feature: 'Journal Option' which generates one line of text on its serial line per PPM reading in parallel to its storage on a grid file on SD Card.
    b. We have written a Windows-based PPM/GPS multiplexing program which receives the PPM data stream from one of its COM port, receives the GPS NMEA0183 data stream from any external GPS device through another COM port, merges the two streams into one single survey line per second and stores it into a file on the laptop. As a further option, the program can also re-emit the NMEA stream to a third COM port to feed a GPS-supported GIS program to show the boat survey path on a geographical map. As the current laptops do not support any RS232 port any longer, the COM ports are simulated by small (and cheap) USB/RS232 converter boxes.

    In parallel with this feature, we are also experimenting with an internal GPS chip option and an alternate Bluetooth connection to an external GPS device.

    3. The sensor has to be inserted into a towing fish under a pressure-protected ccntainer.
    We have found that it is not really necessary to make the complete fish as a pressure-protected ccntainer. We are designing a small container with its dimensions selected to fit our sensor coils in in-line configuration. It is built from a section of high-pressure PVC pipe (90mm outside diameter, 7mm thick walls) closed with two machined caps each with double O-rings. The cable goes through an IP68-rated connector guaranteed to support 100m depth for several hours. The sensor container just needs to be inserted inside a fish made of simple PVC pipe with a nose and fins on which the lead weights and the towing cable have to be fixed.

    This is a work-in-progress which is being built as a first prototytpe. The sensor container will be depth-tested first on a deep lake here in Belgium and then, the whole system will be experimented first on the lake,then, at sea..

    Any comment or remark is very welcome.

    Willy

  • #2
    hi willy,

    I can calculate depth rating of a tube if you give me exact materal (pvc ? ), lenght,outer Dia., and wall thickness.

    regards,
    joe

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    • #3
      Originally posted by joco000 View Post
      hi willy,

      I can calculate depth rating of a tube if you give me exact materal (pvc ? ), lenght,outer Dia., and wall thickness.

      regards,
      joe
      This is the schematic of the sensor container made of thick PVC and whose length is about 30cm

      Willy
      Attached Files

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      • #4
        Here is calculation. I use some safety factor.
        As you can see, this tube can be submersed to 200 meters( sea water)


        TUBE CONFIGURATION (External Pressure)

        Inner Diameter : 78,000 mm
        Outer Diameter : 92,000 mm
        Wall Thickness : 7,0000 mm
        Tube Length : 300,00 mm

        Weight in air : 0,62089 kg
        Weight in water: -1,4238 kg

        Failure Mode: Thin Wall Buckling at 0,022011 Kbar by 2 nodes

        Shell failure at 0,048469 Kbar (Thick wall eq's)
        Seat failure N/A
        Shear failure N/A

        PLASTIC, NYLON 6 Properties:
        Ultimate Strength : 9 Ksi
        Working Strength : 5 Ksi
        Elastic Modulus : 0,2 Mpsi
        Density : 0,04 lb/cu in
        Poisson's Ratio : 0,4
        Comments :
        Molded or Extruded, Unfilled
        Compressive Ultimate Strength = 10 Ksi

        Tube distortion values:

        Pressure Depth Max Axial Max Hoop Max Equiv d ID d OD d Length
        Bar m (sea) Stress, Bar Stress, Bar Stress, Bar mm mm mm
        10,000 99,544 -35,563 -71,126 N/A -0,32186 -0,28622 -0,15474
        20,000 199,05 -71,126 -142,25 N/A -0,64372 -0,57245 -0,30948
        * 22,011 219,05 -78,279 -156,56 N/A -0,70845 -0,63001 -0,34060
        * 30,000 298,50 -106,69 -213,38 N/A -0,96557 -0,85867 -0,46422
        * 40,000 397,91 -142,25 -284,50 N/A -1,2874 -1,1449 -0,61896
        * 50,000 497,28 -177,82 -355,63 N/A -1,6093 -1,4311 -0,77370
        * 60,000 596,61 -213,38 -426,76 N/A -1,9311 -1,7173 -0,92844
        * 70,000 695,89 -248,94 -497,88 N/A -2,2530 -2,0036 -1,0832
        * 80,000 795,13 -284,50 -569,01 N/A -2,5749 -2,2898 -1,2379
        * 90,000 894,32 -320,07 -640,13 N/A -2,8967 -2,5760 -1,3927
        * 100,00 993,48 -355,63 -711,26 N/A -3,2186 -2,8622 -1,5474
        * 110,00 1092,6 -391,19 -782,39 N/A -3,5404 -3,1485 -1,7021
        * 120,00 1191,6 -426,76 -853,51 N/A -3,8623 -3,4347 -1,8569
        * 130,00 1290,7 -462,32 -924,64 N/A -4,1842 -3,7209 -2,0116
        * 140,00 1389,6 -497,88 -995,76 N/A -4,5060 -4,0071 -2,1664
        * 150,00 1488,6 -533,45 -1066,9 N/A -4,8279 -4,2933 -2,3211
        * 160,00 1587,5 -569,01 -1138,0 N/A -5,1497 -4,5796 -2,4758
        * 170,00 1686,3 -604,57 -1209,1 N/A -5,4716 -4,8658 -2,6306
        * 180,00 1785,1 -640,13 -1280,3 N/A -5,7934 -5,1520 -2,7853
        * 190,00 1883,9 -675,70 -1351,4 N/A -6,1153 -5,4382 -2,9400
        * 200,00 1982,6 -711,26 -1422,5 N/A -6,4372 -5,7245 -3,0948
        * = after housing failure

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        • #5
          José,

          I think your calculations are only taking into account the tube itself but, I am afraid that the O'rings could very well be the weak point of the whole fish and could break before the tube.
          What do you think?

          Willy

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          • #6
            General Purpose
            (Static)


            o ring can do the job with no problem for 70 bars ( 700 meters depth)
            I have experiance with static design for 30 bars without any leak, where cover is mounted on pipe wall with screw and between is oring.
            You just have to do the proper groove acording o ring diameter ( see atachment)

            there are also o ring lubricants that protect o ring from cemicals....
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            • #7
              Thanks.
              Good to know!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Willy Bayot View Post
                Thanks.
                Good to know!!
                Yes… O-rings are very helpful to make things water proof…but not every O-ring is the same ! There have been divers putting wrong O-rings at their diving tanks high pressure regulators..and that needs to hold some 200-300 bars !
                If the O-ring is to soft it slips out, with all the leaking problems ! So take care if you need high pressure o-rings, ask people that know how , and do not use the O- rings we have for home use !

                Best regards.

                Ap

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                • #9
                  towing fish for PPM MarkIVb

                  This is a few pix of our first fish prototype.
                  Note that this version has a slightly different design than the design drawings published before. It is now simplified and it has been specifically modified to be easily removable and re-assembled without any special tool.
                  The nose has been designed with a large compartment to contain an adjustable number of lead weights to balance the fish together with the selection of the hole on the cable attachment 'U' rail.
                  The overall length of the fish is 1100mm.
                  This is currently being tested at sea in Australia and it looks like it correctly behave in the water.

                  The last pictures are showing :
                  1. Our last prototype version. It has a cone made of solid aluminum and a VERY solid but adjustable cable attachment. It just needs a pair of fins to be attached to its tail.
                  2. A fish built by one of our American client based on our design.


                  Note that all these fishes are designed to carry our sealed sensor container, they are not themselves water-tight.

                  Willy
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                  • #10
                    Hi,

                    We have now implemented a new mode of GPS plot in our PPM Utility program.
                    Look at these two alternate methods.
                    The GPS fixes are plotted in XYZ mode using one of two possible options according to the checkmark 'Draw Circles':
                    1. Hollow circles whose diameter depends on the field gradient and color depends on the sign of the gradient, Green for positive, red for negative values.
                    2. Circles of constant diameter filled with a rainbow-type color scale. Hot colors correspond to positive field gradients, cold colors correspond to negative field gradients. Light green shows field gradients close to 0.
                    In both cases, field gradients with absolute value is less than the Gradient Threshold parameter ($TG) will be displayed with very small circles. See the last picture and compare with the previous ones.

                    The GPS plot is drawn by default with the maximum scale ratio and panning to completely enclose the full survey grid but, the operator can override this by manually panning and zooming.

                    Willy
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