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    Rick -


    I'm pretty sure I have that issue of R-E. My recollection is that the formula is valid for long inductors where length > radius, or something like that. I will try to dig up the article.


    If I cannot find any reference material for scramble-wound short coils then maybe the best thing is do it experimentally. For that, I need to finish the coil winder I'm working on.


    - Carl

  • #2
    Re: coils still- but not forever

    Rick -


    I'm pretty sure I have that issue of R-E. My recollection is that the formula is valid for long inductors where length > radius, or something like that. I will try to dig up the article.


    If I cannot find any reference material for scramble-wound short coils then maybe the best thing is do it experimentally. For that, I need to finish the coil winder I'm working on.


    - Carl

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    • #3
      Re: coils still- but not forever

      hi carl--


      the pictorial on the web site shows a long solenoid


      type structure---the coils made here are generally


      on a plexiglass form with easy measure of dimentions.


      by a resistance measure can get close on the number


      of turns---by resonance with cap of known value


      (though Q is a little wide sometimes) carefull


      peaking---can attain inductance value--by experiment.


      then by plugging in values into formula mentioned,the


      delta was not too far different---so close that just


      tweeking the frequency a little from what was called


      peaked--now difference is on the other side....


      should be interesting to see you come up with---


      question--you make coil winder--mine all by hand--


      tedious but no production requirements...running out


      of magnet wire----not like old days 1lb/4.95


      regards rick

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      • #4
        Re: coils still- but not forever

        hi carl--


        the pictorial on the web site shows a long solenoid


        type structure---the coils made here are generally


        on a plexiglass form with easy measure of dimentions.


        by a resistance measure can get close on the number


        of turns---by resonance with cap of known value


        (though Q is a little wide sometimes) carefull


        peaking---can attain inductance value--by experiment.


        then by plugging in values into formula mentioned,the


        delta was not too far different---so close that just


        tweeking the frequency a little from what was called


        peaked--now difference is on the other side....


        should be interesting to see you come up with---


        question--you make coil winder--mine all by hand--


        tedious but no production requirements...running out


        of magnet wire----not like old days 1lb/4.95


        regards rick

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: coils still- but not forever

          Hi folks, thought I would pass on a couple of techniqes I have used and still use to make coils.


          #1 I cut a master form out of plywood, 1/2" 5/8" or whatever I want ro use in the diameter I want. Then I make a couple of sides about 1" more in diameter and screw them to the sides. As i wind the coil I use a wood dowl or bolt through a hole in the side as a handle and just let it turn on a small shaft, counting the turns as I go. When done just remove the screws from one side and tape the coil before removeing it.


          #2 I am currently experamenting with using PVC as a form buy cutting it in half on a table saw and then gently heating it to make my bends. You come out with a PVC u that you wind the coil on.


          Just a couple of thoughts to pass along.


          JIMI


          >well after a little more investigation,found a formula


          >that seems to be close to that desired---how close


          >are the results ???? maybe not too far off---recalling


          >the inductance of past coils made----so if any are


          >interested-----stoped to find again--me get better


          >on this 486 fancy box--kind of cute--but the code


          >is quite inefficiant anyway


          >http:www.uslink.net/~cybercir/cir23.htm--you look


          >glad those boys do--


          >This shows how to design air core inductors. In the above formula: L= inductance in microhenries,


          >a= average diameter of the coil in inches, b= length of the coil in inches, c=radial depth of the


          >winding in inches, n= total turns of wire.


          >Source: "Radio-Electronics" Magazine, Nov,88 issue (C) Copyright Gernsback Publications, Inc.,


          >1988


          >L=.2a^2n^2/(3a+9b+10c)


          >this does not take gauge into consideration and for a round shape----would not expect inductance to change


          >much (orde of magnetude) if shape coil to elliptical


          >me shut up and push button now----

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          • #6
            Re: coils still- but not forever

            Hi folks, thought I would pass on a couple of techniqes I have used and still use to make coils.


            #1 I cut a master form out of plywood, 1/2" 5/8" or whatever I want ro use in the diameter I want. Then I make a couple of sides about 1" more in diameter and screw them to the sides. As i wind the coil I use a wood dowl or bolt through a hole in the side as a handle and just let it turn on a small shaft, counting the turns as I go. When done just remove the screws from one side and tape the coil before removeing it.


            #2 I am currently experamenting with using PVC as a form buy cutting it in half on a table saw and then gently heating it to make my bends. You come out with a PVC u that you wind the coil on.


            Just a couple of thoughts to pass along.


            JIMI


            >well after a little more investigation,found a formula


            >that seems to be close to that desired---how close


            >are the results ???? maybe not too far off---recalling


            >the inductance of past coils made----so if any are


            >interested-----stoped to find again--me get better


            >on this 486 fancy box--kind of cute--but the code


            >is quite inefficiant anyway


            >http:www.uslink.net/~cybercir/cir23.htm--you look


            >glad those boys do--


            >This shows how to design air core inductors. In the above formula: L= inductance in microhenries,


            >a= average diameter of the coil in inches, b= length of the coil in inches, c=radial depth of the


            >winding in inches, n= total turns of wire.


            >Source: "Radio-Electronics" Magazine, Nov,88 issue (C) Copyright Gernsback Publications, Inc.,


            >1988


            >L=.2a^2n^2/(3a+9b+10c)


            >this does not take gauge into consideration and for a round shape----would not expect inductance to change


            >much (orde of magnetude) if shape coil to elliptical


            >me shut up and push button now----

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            • #7
              geometrics g-826

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              is old but pristine. Portable unit,when taken from base station,uses d-cells


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