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    Well finally decided to try to get the sound on the detector to where I wanted it. With the original speaker (16 ohm, 0.5 watt) removed I have to rely on headphones and every headphone or earbud sounds different and with different volumes.
    When I modded my detector and added a waterproof connector for the headphones I retained the original ¼” headphone plug as a backup inside the detector I am glad I did as it allowed me to compare the various headphones and earbuds.

    The first iteration of the external headphone was running 4 feet of headphone cable from the waterproof connector to a small headphone plug attach so I could keep the connector above the water when wading and allowed me to use any set set of ear buds of headphones that have the small jack. This proved a pain as I was always ripping the ear buds out of my ears when working on land when kneeling down. I knew I needed a coiled cable. So I decided to start looking for old headsets with a coiled cable at garage sales, flea markets, etc.

    Only my expensive stereo headphones and one set of earbuds sounded right and had enough volume (several other sets of earbuds where tried but were wrong tone or bad volume) so I decided to DIY another set of headphones for the detector as my good headphones were getting destroyed in the field and the ear buds were starting to fall apart (glue can do only so much). Anyway I found a set of cheap vintage head phones at a second hand charity store. I tried them out and they sounded like hell (8 ohms). The tone was all wrong and just not loud enough. So I started experimenting with the available speakers I had sitting around unused. Some were about right tone but too low a volume the rest were wrong in both aspects. I even ripped open my old Microsoft computer headset and tried those to no avail. So I started reading about impedance matching. First thing I do is get the multimeter out and start taking measurements on the original speaker and the head sets that work well. Needless to say the results were useless. So I figured the original speaker had 16 ohms and I should halve that (2 speakers) and go low wattage since the 2 amps speakers were horrible. I tried a pair of 8 ohm 1.2 watt speakers that I had from a set of shower speakers and they sounded horrible so I started looking around and I found a pair of 8 ohm, 1.2 watt speakers that were designed for a Walkman speaker system they were pretty useless as a speaker system (low volume) but would they be good in a set of headphones I plugged them into the detector and held them by my ears and they sounded right and the volume was good so I dissembled them, removed the speakers and installed them in the headphones I also added the sound insulation from a set of hardhat mounted hearing protection muffs that I had sitting around and so far they sound good and rattle the ears when my Tesoro starts up. I might need to add a volume control to protect the ears, but that volume will be good for finding deep targets. FYI they are loud but should not be TOO LOUD other then when the Tesoro goes through the battery test at start up.

    I was surprised to see that even identical rated speakers could sound so different when hooked up to my detector. I think I got a good result more form luck than anything else. These headphones are hot to wear and defiantly cheap looking but better that than ruining my stereo gear for my metal detector
    When I get more money I plan to make a piezo elements set of headphones that are waterproof enough for wading and brief submergence but for right now these should be good. It will be nice not to be yanking out the ear buds every time I kneel down to dig a hole and they will be waterproof up to the actual headphones and even should tolerate splashing as I am going to silicone the various openings.

  • #2
    50 to 150 normally works well with Tesoro's

    As a bonus battery life is extended with the 150 especially on sites with a lot of iron breaking through on the audio.

    Size of speaker and cavity shape also affects the sound.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the info Koala!

      I was still not happy with the sound so I sacrificed my akai ase-7 headphones, I almost never use them, I like the sound they deliver when I use them on my MD. I am keeping all the parts so if I ever want to put them back together I can.

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      • #4
        The best sound you will get with high quality half-in-ear plugs
        because they just need very low input power and therefore all the
        energy can go to create the whole audio-frequency-spectrum.

        But even better it is if you use those to listen to your favorite
        audio program, music or radio and let the detector vibrate!

        Its much more fun while "working" instead of listening all the
        time to those not really amusing electronic noises!

        But with good distraction time will fly and it makes addicted!

        The only contra-indication is if the signals are extremly weak
        because the finds are very deep, small, rare and precious.

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        • #5
          I made my headphone out of some ear defenders. Cuts out most of the outside noise and allows me to concentrate on the smallest of whispers. Its normally these tiny signals that are the most interesting to me. Either deeper and mostly older items or smaller items on there edge that others have missed.

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          • #6
            headphones: Trying to get the right sound and volume.

            Hi Cadmaster375,

            Have you tried rewiring the audio plug to wire the earpieces in series rather than parallel? So for 8ohm speakers you would be getting 16ohms rather than 4ohms on the mono output from the metal detector.

            The best volume I've found for my Barracuda (without using an in-ear headset) is an ancient Sony (probably Walkman) MDR-51 headset. Very light over ear 40ohms per speaker, so I'm using them at 80ohms. The limitation is that it is designed for reaching a belt clipped player, so right length for detecting but not digging. (Not water resistant though.)

            I'm warming to the idea of a Bluetooth headset.. But then there is the battery life and recharging downside I suppose.

            Ray

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Koala View Post
              I made my headphone out of some ear defenders. Cuts out most of the outside noise and allows me to concentrate on the smallest of whispers. Its normally these tiny signals that are the most interesting to me. Either deeper and mostly older items or smaller items on there edge that others have missed.
              Great idea - especially if there's alot noise around.

              Ultra professional would be some portable amp with equalizer so only the really important signals (frequencies) become very loud and clear.

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              • #8
                The 1.4 inch speakers off ebay are plastic cones. They come in 8,16,32, and 64 ohms. 0.5 watt. They would be suitable for mounting in defenders-(earmuffs in Oz). I've seen them made waterproof with a careful silastic(silicone) job. The plastic cones are waterproof. Also seen piezos mounted in muffs. Generally a logarithmic pot is used for volume, and can be mounted on the muffs, or a waterproof in-line jobby. Not waterproof, but many have had great success with Nokia amplified speakers. They have a 3.5 phone outlet as well. This is the ducks guts for the faint signals on my Baracuda.
                A LM386 amplifier kit can be bought on ebay for $1.30, and a google search will give you a plethora of LM386 amp circuits-some with tone or bass/treble control. Various effects and tonal variations can be achieved by modifying the circuit.
                Personally I use and old set of Sony walkman mini-phones on 'tectas with phone volume control, or one of the many sets of cheap phones with volume, that came with cheap detectors.
                Also I have a small FM transmitter and radio phones for cordless. A while back I bought some mini FM transmitter circuits off ebay(about $5 for 10), and have plans to hook one up to a 'tecta inside the box to try with radio phones-dunno if it will interfere with the signal, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
                If that works, then you could use a waterproof radio/headset.
                I know my home-made 386 amp is great on some 'tectas, but bloody horrible on others. In retrospect the google schematic I used wasn't optimal.

                Cadmaster- like detectors, it's best to have a selection of phones as well.

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                • #9
                  If you just match the Impedance of what ever your detector is and the head phones things should sound a pile better.

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                  • #10
                    As you guys may know I like experimenting with my detector. I am always looking for ways to improve my detector. Some of my experiments fail and some succeed. Recently I have been playing around with Headphones and speakers. When I was finalizing the design of my water resistant detector upgrade I used some ip68 waterproof connectors from china (that were supposedly good) and they were barely acceptable as they were always the one place that leaked. They leaked into the case until I removed the o-ring and used a silicon liquid gasket to seal the connector to case, leaked into the pin area or into the wire to pin area. I keep solving these problems, but eventually I have problems some sort of problem again.

                    I have to get some better 5 pin connectors (I used the same connector for the coil and the headphones). I have actually damaged one connector because I have to keep taking them apart so I have to get some new ones this off season. Would you guys have a suggestion for a durable preferably metal case connector that is rated IP68.

                    I have been planning to set my detector up so I can go wireless if I want to and have purchased at the local thrift store several sets of wireless headphones. One set is Bluetooth with aptx made by LG model HBS-750 for $3.00 (they are supposed to be low latency and work well with my Ipod when watching movies or listening to music and have at least 10 hours of battery between charges). The other set is wireless AM/FM headphones made by lifelong model 222 also for $3.00 that seem to work well and have decent battery life. I plan as money permits to purchase first the AM/FM transmitter and then a Bluetooth transmitter with APTx and try both.

                    I also decided to re-install the external speaker using a 3.5 mm speaker plug and socket instead of direct wiring it. I made a small rain resistant enclosure out of a small round plastic container for the speaker and can leave the case partially open (just enough to pass a wire and plug) and plug into the original wires, but if I unplug the speaker and fully close the case the detector is waterproof again. I used some adhesive backed Velcro to attach the speaker to the outside top of the waterproof case. It works well for everyday detecting when I am not worried about water. I just liked the idea of having the option of having the speaker again if I wanted it.

                    The wired headphones I have are OK for now, but not great. One of the headphone speakers died, the diaphragm detached from the speaker due to old age I guess so I had to switch to the next best pair of speakers. I have yet to try wiring the headphone speakers in series rather than the standard parallel wiring but I am warming to the idea. I am also contemplating switching the headphone connector to the external speaker wires rather than the headphone wires as they are different circuits and different volume levels. The over ear headphones I use are a vintage set, but I have added the sound insulation from a set of hardhat mounted ear defenders to decrease the external noise. I also plan of adding a volume taper and eventually upgrading to piezos when finances allow.

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                    • #11
                      BTW there are several different types of hearing protection muffs/defenders that have Bluetooth and or AM/FM capabilities as well as wired direct connection. for those of you with an interest.

                      Honeywell
                      http://www.honeywellsafety.com/CA/Pr...22428934199327

                      3m
                      http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...4529207&rt=rud

                      Stanley
                      http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/st...0153p.html#srp

                      These guys show the product in their catalog but not on the webpage so I used the Canadian tire link instead. I am sure that other stores carry them.

                      Ion

                      http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/tough-sounds


                      here is a review and list of the types of headphones in question

                      http://headphonecharts.com/best-am-f...headphones.php
                      Last edited by Cadmaster375; 10-17-2016, 12:42 AM. Reason: adding another link

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                      • #12
                        I bought a set of Logitech (Low Latency) BlueTooth headphones and gutted them. I put the controls in a hipmounted waterproof box, same with the transmitter (in a shaft mounted box). Now I have no connection to the machine at all and can dig freely. You are looking for the type that are TRUE CABLE REPLACEMENT as others have a delay and you will have probs pinpointing targets.

                        Sony do modules for around $25 which you can hack about and make a very good set of headphones with.

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