SD2000 Front end improvement #2

[Sean_Goddard]

You too WireChief, it's ALWAYS good to read your posts, I know you have a lot of experience in this field and others too and I repsect that.

I have known Dave a long time, and he has explained how most of the problems he has encountered have been overcome, including one I worked on a few years back but gave up on as "a damned headache, too hard to solve", not as clever as I though I was then .

Stay well and good luck.

[Wirechief]

Thanks Sean and I hope you have a great week ahead. CU later.

John Tomlinson,CET
John's Detectors
Best Little Detector Shop in Texas!

[Carl-NC]

Sean,

The problem with Good Ideas is bringing them to market. Your ideas, my ideas, Georgi's, Dave's... the sum total of all these ideas is no viable competition for Minelab, at least yet. True, the PD might be good competition, but I'm concerned that Dave's loner approach is going to cripple the PD's market chances. My opinion is that he needs to team up with an established company.

OTOH, Minelab is actually putting out products, and they are so successful they can charge hefty premiums over the competition.

- Carl

[bugwhiskers]

I am an authorized Minelab dealer in West Texas and had a brief e-mail exchange with Bruce when I sent an e-mail to him about the Minelab PI machines. He told me that the next 10 years will bring in some really cool technologies in the metal detecting field. I will leave it at that.

John Tomlinson,CET
John's Detectors

I worry about such statements, either Mr Candy is into crystal ball gazing or he has the technology now and intends to "roll it out" in a drip feed fashion over the next 10 years to maximise profits.

Either way, one would expect him to say something to give his dealers a ray of hope.

regards
bugwhiskers

[JC1]

....

What is amazing is that by modifying the older units with current up to date components they can work as well as the newer detectors. My modded SD2000 blows the GP series of machines away on depth capabillities.

Yes alot of people say this.

Noisey too but sensitive.



Wow that got discussion.

Having also read Candy's Patents

I'll have to say it took me a few

reads before I think I got it.

Short pulse long pulse

decay ferrous decay non-ferrous

decay ferrous stay about same shape

decay non-ferrous doesn't.

The math looks like it is trying to say

that but I couldn't verify that.

Hope I didn't get it backwards.

Long time ago reading that stuff.

Lots of hope placed on the pulse devil

hope it is true. certainly could be.

and would be nice to see the little guys

do well. Know Minelab probably got alot

of gvrnmint money for the mine detectors.

Which probably do have to work fairly good.

And so taxpayers paid for some of the development

which is how the game is played. sometimes.

Anyway Wow.

[JC1]

Probably right

My opinion is that he needs to team up with an established company.


- Carl

This is probably true for

a whole lot of reasons.

[Wirechief]

I worry about such statements, either Mr Candy is into crystal ball gazing or he has the technology now and intends to "roll it out" in a drip feed fashion over the next 10 years to maximise profits.

Either way, one would expect him to say something to give his dealers a ray of hope.

regards
bugwhiskers

Hi Bugs, Yes of course he is going to boost his dealers and they are wanting to get a foothold in the Coin/Relic field of detecting here in the U.S. I hope your PI project is going well also. Ok CU later Bugs and God Bless.

John Tomlinson,CET
John's Detectors
Blackwell,Tx.

[Sean_Goddard]

Nuke, LET'S JUST DO IT!!!

I woudln't worry too much about Dave's chances against ML, I've been through their mill and I know how to beat them. I've passed this on to Dave.

I agree, they will not go lightly from this hallowed ground, BUT herein lies an idea. ML is but one man in the R&D, and that's Sticky (Candyman). Collectively, on this forum there is more knowledge that he will EVER accumulate, and more talent that ALL the major existing designers put together, SO....... WHY don't WE form a Wiki-Collective Company (see "The Theory of Wikinomincs") and bring our OWN machines to market? Together as a company we have the resources, the brains AND the ability to make a top notch design a practical reality.

Form a closed group within the forum of selected EXISTING forum members and they can work "under cover", until the project is ready.

Let's start putting our money where our mouths are and have a TRUE collaborative project than will benefit all involved.

[Sean_Goddard]

http://wikinomics.com/ Its the future IMHO

[Carl-NC]

I woudln't worry too much about Dave's chances against ML, I've been through their mill and I know how to beat them. I've passed this on to Dave.

That's not my concern. It's Dave's solo approach.

Collectively, on this forum there is more knowledge that he will EVER accumulate, and more talent that ALL the major existing designers put together, SO....... WHY don't WE form a Wiki-Collective Company (see "The Theory of Wikinomincs") and bring our OWN machines to market? Together as a company we have the resources, the brains AND the ability to make a top notch design a practical reality.

Form a closed group within the forum of selected EXISTING forum members and they can work "under cover", until the project is ready.

Let's start putting our money where our mouths are and have a TRUE collaborative project than will benefit all involved.

OK, this is something that I've thought about before. But I always have more questions than answers...

What is the purpose?
Who gets to play?
How do you maintain order?
Who gets the rights to the results?
Who makes the products?
How do you get paid?

If this is something people are truly interested in doing, I will gladly set up an exploratory forum where we can discuss these questions and more, and see what comes out of it. I'm actually involved in a deal right now that might provide an avenue for professional production, independent of the major players.

- Carl

[Sean_Goddard]

That's not my concern. It's Dave's solo approach.

OK, this is something that I've thought about before. But I always have more questions than answers...

What is the purpose?
To provide a viable alternative to the toys currently on sale

Who gets to play?
ONLY Existing forum members Due to trust issues, i.e "spies". They have to voluneer their services based on areas of expertise.

How do you maintain order?
Admin had final say, or group vote. democracy rules. It's a company, we elect a CEO, his say is FINAL. NO ARGUMENTS!


Who gets the rights to the results?
ALL who volunteers sign up to a EULA type agreement, in which they hold SHARES.

Who makes the products?
Subcontractor assembly (I know many who can be trusted) make PCBs, Coils will have to be decided, we have a vac form expert on this forum!!

How do you get paid?
I think I could trust you by now. CEO would be incharge of "divvying" out money in proportion to shares held. I know it's a responsibility, but it would all be done under real legal agreements.

If this is something people are truly interested in doing, I will gladly set up an exploratory forum where we can discuss these questions and more, and see what comes out of it. I'm actually involved in a deal right now that might provide an avenue for professional production, independent of the major players.

- Carl

I for one would be prepared to reveal my inventions to such a forum, but obviously there would be a disclaimer that NO ONE individual or a collective of members of the group can use any information shared for their own benefit. ALL information MUST be used for the collective benefit of the group as a WHOLE.

Volunteers MUST be accepted by the group as a whole, membership of this forum does NOT guarantee entry to the "Company", E.g. I can be a pain in the a** sometimes, other may not want me on the basis that they may consider me disruptive, I would have to live with that. I may get black balled!!

A few members who springs to mind right off are Ivconic, KT315, Merc, Bugwhiskers, YOU, Estaban, Geo and Qiaozhi. IF I MISSED YOU OFF, it was not intended as an insult, just add your name to the list. When the CEO thinks we have enough, he will close the group.

NOW CEO, volunteers / nominees. I nominate CARL if he will accept as I for one feel he has always been the voice of reason when it all falls off the rails sometimes. I need someone to second this PROVIDING Carl wishes to stand for CEO that is.

One more thing, just like a real company, people can be voted OFF the group too, if someone is told to leave, then that is FINAL, thay have been fired, never to return, no matter HOW much input they have had, Their shares are forfeit to the rest of the group. This is something that members must agree to in the EULA at the start of their "term" of membership of the group, it applies to ALL equally, even the CEO, but a vote must be UNANIMOUS, and a quorum must be present to take such a vote.

I would like to apply for membership of such a group, pending acceptance by others, how this works is, an initial group is set up, then members poll to accept/reject members, if someone polls higher than all the others, they are out. I.e. everyone may get one vote against them, maybe two, but if one person polls three or four against..You get the idea.

So, Think we can make this work? I do .

[Carl-NC]

OK, Itellyawhat... lemme create a new top-level forum and we can open it up for discussion.

[Woody.au]

Oh dear!

Candy's patent "ONLY" refers to a detector usind a seperate Transmit and receive coil. What happens when you use a Mono ???

Patent null and void on using a Mono.

[Unregistered]

Minelab detector modifications

Nice video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCKThqg7h5E

[B^C]

I woudln't worry too much about Dave's chances against ML, I've been through their mill and I know how to beat them. I've passed this on to Dave.

I agree, they will not go lightly from this hallowed ground, BUT herein lies an idea. ML is but one man in the R&D, and that's Sticky (Candyman). Collectively, on this forum there is more knowledge that he will EVER accumulate, and more talent that ALL the major existing designers put together, SO....... WHY don't WE form a Wiki-Collective Company (see "The Theory of Wikinomincs") and bring our OWN machines to market? Together as a company we have the resources, the brains AND the ability to make a top notch design a practical reality.

Form a closed group within the forum of selected EXISTING forum members and they can work "under cover", until the project is ready.

Let's start putting our money where our mouths are and have a TRUE collaborative project than will benefit all involved.

The current design technology of the minelab detectors OUT ON THE MARKET is MANY YEARS behind the current design technology in the workshop. No one with any real business sense releases there up to date current technology in a market such as this. It would be financial suicide to do so & one might say the GPX4000 is the first of a long line of new production models to come.

With millitary design technology one might say minelab has only scratched the surface as far as detectors go.
I applaud the lets put our money where our mouth is comment, being aussie we have the same attitude.
There has never been a detector that compete's with minelabs technology & maybe unless somebody stumbles onto something by trying to copy there designs there may never be.
A lot of different manufacturers are copying things as we speak because they are that far behind. If you have to revert to copying things to keep up then maybe they should just sell cars at least they could find those with some of there detectors.

Lets not forget the real threat & that is CHINA, they will copy anything & in there relentless quest for supremecy will eventually open this market up & replace good quality detectors with cheap but powerfull detectors.
Recently i was given a detector to test of Chinese origin with very surprising results, this this was poorly made like all chinese things but boy did it deliver as far as detectors go.
This thing cost $125.00AU & to my astonishment is a powerful weapon on the fields with many copied circuits.

Minelab is one thing but may i add CHINA is another, they haven't the engineering knowledge yet or the metalurgy correct for there products & are just copying everything at the moment. Give them some time & they will be the worlds leaders & who knows what i instore for us then--Be Warned.

Thanks

Bruce C