SD2000 Front end improvement #2

[B^C]

Forgot to mention, Minelab detectors were produced out of frustration of there being NOTHING on the market except useless beepers that were of no real use to the serious prospector. The amount of gold, relics, mines & coins etc found by these & the enjoyment of using real equipment for the average JOE is something to be enjoyed by all.

As far as price goes if finding a few ounces of gold pays for your hobby or professional equipment then i'd say there cheap as chips & will pay for themselves many times over.

I for one feel like a kid at christmas everytime i hear my unit go off, that has to be worth something at my age.

Thanks

Bruce C

[Aziz]

The problem of copying intellectual property with China becames more relevant today. Even here in Germany on Cebit, the police confiscated lots of products from China yesterday and today (e.g. OneMini).

I think, the next metal detectors will heavly controlled by software. And software can easly be protected than hard wired electronics. May be we will need a "USB-dongle" to operate with future detectors.

Another way to protect knowledge is to keep the technology secret. Europe industry, particularly small companies, are not registering patents anymore. Because, this is the most important source for coping companies.

So I can understand, why Minelab paints his PCB-board and also grinding the electronics parts. I also would do the same.

Aziz

[Unregistered]

The current design technology of the minelab detectors OUT ON THE MARKET is MANY YEARS behind the current design technology in the workshop. No one with any real business sense releases there up to date current technology in a market such as this. It would be financial suicide to do so & one might say the GPX4000 is the first of a long line of new production models to come.

With millitary design technology one might say minelab has only scratched the surface as far as detectors go.
I applaud the lets put our money where our mouth is comment, being aussie we have the same attitude.
There has never been a detector that compete's with minelabs technology & maybe unless somebody stumbles onto something by trying to copy there designs there may never be.
A lot of different manufacturers are copying things as we speak because they are that far behind. If you have to revert to copying things to keep up then maybe they should just sell cars at least they could find those with some of there detectors.

Lets not forget the real threat & that is CHINA, they will copy anything & in there relentless quest for supremecy will eventually open this market up & replace good quality detectors with cheap but powerfull detectors.
Recently i was given a detector to test of Chinese origin with very surprising results, this this was poorly made like all chinese things but boy did it deliver as far as detectors go.
This thing cost $125.00AU & to my astonishment is a powerful weapon on the fields with many copied circuits.

Minelab is one thing but may i add CHINA is another, they haven't the engineering knowledge yet or the metalurgy correct for there products & are just copying everything at the moment. Give them some time & they will be the worlds leaders & who knows what i instore for us then--Be Warned.

Thanks

Bruce C

Good to hear from you Bruce.
Bruce could you be so kind as to tell me if in any of your detector platforms you have ever utilized the ideas, principles or portion of circuits from any other folk or groups or patents? Or is every circuit 110% your own ideas and concepts? Some of the SD2000 circuit appears to have a resemblance to some of Eric Foster’s designs. Did his circuit and 1967 ground balancing method play any part in the genesis of the Sd2000 and what was the influence of Corbyn? Eric also does not seem to be mentioned in your early patents which for a person regarded as the godfather of Pi I find very surprising.
By the way how is Robby-H going with you?
Why don't we see JP post here?
Maybe its because he has a lot of bark, but little bite or perhaps he is just a plain coward! LOL!
Look forward to more posts from you.
Hope things are going well in basket range.
Ps love some of your jokes!

[gef12]

The current design technology of the minelab detectors OUT ON THE MARKET is MANY YEARS behind the current design technology in the workshop. No one with any real business sense releases there up to date current technology in a market such as this. It would be financial suicide to do so & one might say the GPX4000 is the first of a long line of new production models to come.

With millitary design technology one might say minelab has only scratched the surface as far as detectors go.
I applaud the lets put our money where our mouth is comment, being aussie we have the same attitude.
There has never been a detector that compete's with minelabs technology & maybe unless somebody stumbles onto something by trying to copy there designs there may never be.
A lot of different manufacturers are copying things as we speak because they are that far behind. If you have to revert to copying things to keep up then maybe they should just sell cars at least they could find those with some of there detectors.

Lets not forget the real threat & that is CHINA, they will copy anything & in there relentless quest for supremecy will eventually open this market up & replace good quality detectors with cheap but powerfull detectors.
Recently i was given a detector to test of Chinese origin with very surprising results, this this was poorly made like all chinese things but boy did it deliver as far as detectors go.
This thing cost $125.00AU & to my astonishment is a powerful weapon on the fields with many copied circuits.

Minelab is one thing but may i add CHINA is another, they haven't the engineering knowledge yet or the metalurgy correct for there products & are just copying everything at the moment. Give them some time & they will be the worlds leaders & who knows what i instore for us then--Be Warned.

Thanks

Bruce C

Hi Bruce and All
Yes that is true about the Chinese and I have an idea of the machine you are talking about... This is a good machine tis only spoiled by the manufacturing and not so poor quality parts and a little lack of QC on their behalf. I reckon I could go over there and earn a few extra bucks teaching them a thing or two .. LOL .... If they improve a bit in these fields then we are in trouble. And to you "Unregistered" how about an I.D. ... :-)

Cheers all

[Unregistered]

Money where your......

Good to hear from you Bruce.
Bruce could you be so kind as to tell me if in any of your detector platforms you have ever utilized the ideas, principles or portion of circuits from any other folk or groups or patents? Or is every circuit 110% your own ideas and concepts? Some of the SD2000 circuit appears to have a resemblance to some of Eric Foster’s designs. Did his circuit and 1967 ground balancing method play any part in the genesis of the Sd2000 and what was the influence of Corbyn? Eric also does not seem to be mentioned in your early patents which for a person regarded as the godfather of Pi I find very surprising.
By the way how is Robby-H going with you?
Why don't we see JP post here?
Maybe its because he has a lot of bark, but little bite or perhaps he is just a plain coward! LOL!
Look forward to more posts from you.
Hope things are going well in basket range.
Ps love some of your jokes!

Hello Doug/Marshall,
Can you provide Bruce Candy with reliable data?

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?t=14030

[Carl-NC]

Please note that the "Bruce C" posting here is not the "Bruce C" some of you might be thinking of! I just want to get that out of the way, to avoid any confusion.

- Carl

[robby_h]

Good to hear from you Bruce.
Bruce could you be so kind as to tell me if in any of your detector platforms you have ever utilized the ideas, principles or portion of circuits from any other folk or groups or patents? Or is every circuit 110% your own ideas and concepts? Some of the SD2000 circuit appears to have a resemblance to some of Eric Foster’s designs. Did his circuit and 1967 ground balancing method play any part in the genesis of the Sd2000 and what was the influence of Corbyn? Eric also does not seem to be mentioned in your early patents which for a person regarded as the godfather of Pi I find very surprising.
By the way how is Robby-H going with you?
Why don't we see JP post here?
Maybe its because he has a lot of bark, but little bite or perhaps he is just a plain coward! LOL!
Look forward to more posts from you.
Hope things are going well in basket range.
Ps love some of your jokes!

Please see post #93 here https://www.geotech1.com/thuntings/s...t=14001&page=4

There are around 6 billion people in the world and you assume every Bruce C is Bruce Candy??? You are well known for grasping at straws and forwarding unsubstantiated rumors but this is verging on the insane. To think I actually encouraged you to keep at it when your forum was a pup and battling to stay afloat!! POZ is currently surviving because of the Nemesis and little else. If it fails then goodbye prospectinginoz.

I do not correspond in any way with JP or even know the man. All I know is that he got smooth mode right and your so-called "pros" got it wrong. Let's face it, the "pros" tested it and concluded there was no reason to upgrade to a 4000. You gleefully handed this advise onto members and we now hear the same guys have been scurrying around cleaning up all the rich hot ground out there with 4000s!! You even bought one yourself!! You would be screaming if this happened on any other forum. Pros and forum owner give false advise so they can clean up!!

Eric was the only person making worth while tech contributions on your forum and he has now left in disgust and you don't see a trend occurring?
robby_h

PS. Please note that Corbyn didn't mention Eric either. Give it a rest mate.

[J_Player]

True, the PD might be good competition, but I'm concerned that Dave's loner approach is going to cripple the PD's market chances. My opinion is that he needs to team up with an established company.

Hi Carl,

From what I have read, Dave expects to produce his detectors on a small scale compared to other manufacturers. Then, as the business gets rolling, he can put profits into upscaling his production to meet demands. With any reasonable degree of success, he will also be able attract financing if needed. I am aware of the difficult business climate for any small company starting up, and the limitations of the hobbyist detector market. From what I can see, Dave will be offering his detectors to three specific segments of the high end hobby detector market: Relic hunters, coin/beach hunters, and nugget hunters.

I am curious:
What exactly do you expect will cripple the PD market chances?
What specific things can teaming up with an established company offer Dave to help his market chances?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

I am curious:
What exactly do you expect will cripple the PD market chances?
What specific things can teaming up with an established company offer Dave to help his market chances?

There are (at least) 5 steps in this kind of business:

1. Design & development
2. Final product test & tweak
3. Manufacturing
4. Marketing & sales
5. Support & service

It's my opinion that one person can't reasonably do all this, even on a very limited scale. You either have to commit to this full-time, in which case you need to sell enough detectors to make a living; or you do it part-time, in which case you work another job and this becomes a "spare-time" effort.

The better approach, IMO, is to team up with an established detector company and let them do the things they do best, namely 2-5. Even though this approach has issues of its own (just ask Troy Galloway!), including the need to give up a lot of control over the product, it's nice to have a couple dozen people standing with you when things go wrong. And things do go wrong... broken Explorer stem clamps, leaky Excaliburs, defective Cortes toggle switches, etc.

Most likely, had Dave teamed up with a manufacturer early on, all his models would be in production right now, and Dave would be collecting royalty checks and free to work on the next generation detector. My fear with a solo effort is countless delays and a loss of reputation. We've already seen those delays, and Dave is only in step 1 right now. I've met Dave, and he's a really sharp guy who has undoubtedly thought through all this, and chosen the path he thinks is best for him. If I had what I thought was a revolutionary design, I would probably try to do what he is doing, despite everything I've just written. In the end, I hope he succeeds, but it's gonna be a real rough road.

- Carl