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  • Square wave Pulse Induction

    Hi all !

    Today I want to show one interesting idea that I found when I finished my previous design . I mean that recuperative PI device , published here - http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...y-recuperation As you remember , the main idea of that detector was not to stop the coil current after the charge interval , but to reverse it and store the current in the coil , keeping it constant for some time . This solution has some benefits - we can receive a double target response with the same coil current ( due to reversing the current ) , and another bonus - we can restore this coil current after finishing all measurements . So after the measurement interval we can return almost all the energy stored in the coil to the battery , during a special recuperation interval . And the target information we can get not by measuring the VOLTAGE on the coil loaded to the resistor , but measuring the CURRENT in the shorted coil . The whole idea looks quite attractive and works good enough ... but one day another strange idea came to my head . I began to thinking how I can increase the operating frequency ( Pulse Repetition Rate ) of the device , and what is the limit ? As everyone can see , in a conventional PI device we does have two intervals - a charge interval when the energy being stored in the coil , and a flyback interval - with exponential current decay and sharp flyback peak - when all stored energy heats the damping resistor And when the coil voltage ( and current ) drops enough - we can strobe the coil voltage to get the useful information about the presence of the metal targets near the coil . When we can start a new measuring cycle ? Of course , we need to wait the time when all the current is totally dissipated ( and we get all the info from the coil ) , and then we can start a new charging interval , and so on . So the maximum PRR is limited by the duration of the charge interval - we need a time to pump the current to the coil , anyhow .

    But in my device I need to wait even more - I need to wait when my recuperation interval is finished . So , for example , charge interval is about 150 uS ( A-B interval on the timing diagram ) , then 8 uS flyback ( B-C ) , then 100 uS measuring interval ( C-D ) , and then 150 uS to return the power back to the battery ( D-E ) , so total time is about 400 uS , and maximum PRR must be about 2,5 Khz . Of course , my device is far from this problem - it has PRR of 320 Hz , but what if I wanna make the device for some special purpose , when a high PRR is need ?

    And suddenly I found a very beautiful solution that completely eliminates all this problem and allows almost unlimited PRR ... speaking more precisely , it's limited now only by a flyback pulse duration ( 8 uS with my coil , for instance ) . If I can , indeed , easily reverse the current before my measuring interval , why I cannot do it just after it ? What if I reverse the current , measure my target response , and then don't recuperate the energy but reverse it again ? Of course , when I wait 100 uS after reverse , I receive all the current decaying processes in the target , but when those processes are finished - it just mean that the target is properly "magnetized" for the next cycle , isn't it ? So why I need to recuperate the energy and pump it to the coil again , if I can do a very simple thing - reverse the current again and again , ad infinitum And utilizing this technique I easily can push the frequency up to 50 kHz and even more , for instance , and what is really beautiful - device will consume almost the same current as on 5 kHz PRR .

    So , when I use this idea , every current interval does have a double purpose . At the same time I do two things - receive the incoming signal from the target ( decaying exponent function ) , and prepare the target to the next measuring interval , magnetizing it in the opposite polarity . And what is interesting - as I have TWO flyback pulses during the period ( positive and negative ) , I am doubling the equivalent PRR of the whole device . In the other words , this device running at 10 Khz PRR does work completely equal the conventional PI device at 20 Khz PRR , consuming very little energy . You see , in the usual PI device all the coil energy is wasted in every cycle , but in this new detector the current is only reversing back and forth And by the way , bipolar operation does have some advantages itself - we know some examples of conventional bipolar PI's .

    The coil current in this device will have the shape of continious square wave , and the target signal is just being mixed with this wave . So all what we need is to use the current transformer ( just like I did it in my previous design ) to pick up the signal from the coil , and perform some operations to separate this continious idle current wave and the incoming signal . My theoretical analysis showed that this principle is quite powerful , and we can do the signal processing using some different algorithms - some of them are simple , and some more complicated .... and now I am finishing the working device using one of this ways . I decided to publish all the circuits little by little , because it's not so easy to draw all the papers at once . And because the entire device isn't finished yet - some circuits can be changed .... Here is the first circuit - the initial power chain concept .
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    Dmitry, IMNHO, the title of your thread should be WIDEBAND METAL DETECTOR.
    Judging from your posts that I think are written in very good English, you can read textbooks on signals and systems, even in English. Do not listen to the praise of some participants in this forum because they are on your level - they also need training. You have the advantage that can use excellent textbooks in Russian. I do not know if you can understand the information in this book, but still view it:
    Финк Л.М. "Сигналы, Помехи, Ошибки"
    http://www.radioscanner.ru/files/sig...lysis/file339/

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mikebg View Post
      Dmitry, IMNHO, the title of your thread should be WIDEBAND METAL DETECTOR.
      Judging from your posts that I think are written in very good English, you can read textbooks on signals and systems, even in English. Do not listen to the praise of some participants in this forum because they are on your level - they also need training. You have the advantage that can use excellent textbooks in Russian. I do not know if you can understand the information in this book, but still view it:
      Финк Л.М. "Сигналы, Помехи, Ошибки"
      http://www.radioscanner.ru/files/sig...lysis/file339/
      Thank you , Mike , I know this book and have read it several times ... it's really a very useful book and very well written also . By the way , my favourite theme is a wide-band signals processing , different kinds of spectrum spread , chaotic signals , etc . So my current "metal detecting madness" is a "deviation" , just like hi-end tube amplifiers , for example

      About the name of this project , and why I called it "pulse induction" .... you see , it's just because the demodulation algorithm that I am using in my new device now allows me to get the same information that I can get from a conventional PI device . What can we get from the classic PI ? The incoming signal is the same every time - it's a decaying exponent with different time constant ( depends on target size , conductivity , etc ) , isn't it ? And this device does just the same thing - it excites the target with a quick changing magnetic field and measures its response , which is the same old familiar exponent transient response .

      But of course you are right , and this concept is "more than PI" , because ( and I told about it here ) it's possible to utilize a different demodulation algorithms and get more info about the target . For example , we can forget about PI and simply select in the receiver only the fundamental frequency of the transmitted square wave , and what will we get ? We'll get the same old CW ( ULF ) metal detector , with its quad-phase demodulators , phase discrimination , etc . This square wave principle is more powerful than a classic PI , indeed , and I hope that if we go this way , sometimes we'll can achieve a main goal - an "ultimate metal detector" But now I prefer the traditional name of the topic - let's see , where it will lead us .

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      • #4
        Hi deemon

        interesting solution.

        Presume that TR1.x (TR1.2 mark is missing) windings are all in the same ferrite pot?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by WM6 View Post
          Hi deemon

          interesting solution.

          Presume that TR1.x (TR1.2 mark is missing) windings are all in the same ferrite pot?
          Yes , of course - they are all wound on the same ferrite ring core . And I forgot to write the TR1.2 winding mark - here is the corrected picture .
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          • #6
            Mikebg what type of file is that ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 6666 View Post
              Mikebg what type of file is that ?
              *.djvu
              Do you know Russian language?

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              • #8
                And you can read it easily in SumatraPDF (also good for comics in various formats, and of course PDFs)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Davor View Post
                  And you can read it easily in SumatraPDF (also good for comics in various formats, and of course PDFs)
                  Thanks, Davor!
                  I downloaded it:
                  http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/...df-viewer.html

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                  • #10
                    Here is the circuit of the power chain - fully working prototype . As we can see , the power chain just replies the concept circuit , but with one necessary complication . When I was working on my previous recuperative MD , I found a problem that occurs due to imperfection of a components in real life - I mean the energy loss during flyback interval . In reality the coil current after flyback pulse isn't equal the current before , but a little less . I can be caused by eddy currents in the coil wire , dielectric losses in the capacitor , etc . That is why I added a special adaptive compensation circuit in that device ( what was a little tricky indeed ) .. and now I need to do something with this issue too . If I let it work "as is" , I cannot obtain a perfect square shape on the output - current after feedback is less than calculated value , and then it grows linearly up to the end of the cycle , so my square becomes a kind of "trapezoid" .

                    So I found an interesting solution of the problem - it's a special "kick circuit" , shown on the picture . This is , in fact , a kind of "charge pump" , that can throw some portion of charge into the resonant chain when the capacitor voltage achieves a maximum and the current changes polarity . This additional voltage kick transforms to the coil current in the end of the flyback pulse , compensating the loss . As we can see - transistors Q4,Q5 being controlled via TR3 transformer , are switching in the opposite direction to the flyback pulse , and the kick amplitude is controlled by supply voltage change ( + Vreg ) . So when we turn the R5 trimmer resistor , we can perfectly align our output square wave without any metals near the search coil .
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                    • #11
                      You serve us with inventive ideas, deemon.

                      What are parameters of input "supply" signal at TR1.1?

                      Is at TR1.5, windings (phase) starting point missing, or is not important?

                      Did you check circuit sensitivity on real target sample and how it change output signal (by amplitude or something else)?

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                      • #12
                        And you can read it easily in SumatraPDF
                        Thanks tried it and it works ok.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by WM6 View Post
                          You serve us with inventive ideas, deemon.

                          What are parameters of input "supply" signal at TR1.1?

                          Is at TR1.5, windings (phase) starting point missing, or is not important?

                          Did you check circuit sensitivity on real target sample and how it change output signal (by amplitude or something else)?
                          Input signal is a simple square voltage ( 6 V amplitude ) , produced by a classic half-bridge invertor . Here is the circuit of this block ... in contrary with the others , nothing inventive in it's circuit It's just a power supply and a clock generator . Turning R3 we can tune the desired working frequency ( from 1 to 10 kHz ) , R4 trimmer is need to fine adjust the output symmetry of the positive and negative pulses duration . Maybe I will add a digital counter between clock gen and output mosfets in the final version of the device , and exclude R4 and R5 from the circuit .

                          About the transformer - TR1.5 polarity doesn't matter , because it goes to the rectifier . And about output signal - it appears on the output ( TR2 trans ) when we bring the metal object to the coil . The signal is mixed with the output square wave , changing its shape . We can directly see it on the scope , when the metal is quite near ... and another reaction to the metal is decrease of an average output wave amplitude ( coil current ) . It looks like the metal target "takes the energy" from the coil - this can be used also . In the next posts I will explain the possible algorithms of the signal processing , in order to suppress this square wave "carrier" and amplify the weak target signal .
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                          • #14
                            Lots of transformers... this is the kind of stuff John Earle eats up! If only it used vacuum tubes.

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                            • #15
                              Hello,
                              Hey Carl it is the "old school " very neat and effective ...that i love it like the world of vacuum tube beautiful ...
                              Deemon, i enjoy very much your electronic background and also your drawing , When i see your post it is like when i read "a real good and excellent book" and your kindness to give us your high electronic knowledge...in this day it is very unusual in this world of " the big brother".... Orwell's.....

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