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  • The 10 Ohm resistors in the diagram R14, R24, R19 and R21 should be considered as jumpers on the single sided board and can be omitted.
    @ Goaty: if you really want to make a 1 to 1 comparison with your original build, you should also program your SMD version with v4.0 or 4.1.
    Which could be difficult now that the chip is soldered to the board...

    Looking forward to some scope images.
    My gut feeling still tells me that there is something wrong with your automatic DC offset adjustment of the opamp after startup: the circuit around Q3.
    This should be reflected in your waveform. When you measure it at pin 8/9 of the PIC (TP2 in the schematic), it should look something like this:

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    The noise on this signal is mainly coming from the scope backlight converter ( together with other EMI sources in my garage... ).

    The signal in this picture will give a valid sensitivity setting between 1.5 and about 4.5 V. ( = comparator slicing level to measure the flyback pulse width ).
    Below and above these tresholds, you will hear the error tone ( no flyback detected at the comparator output ) - with firmware version 4.2
    With firmware version 4.1, the slicing level is fixed at about 0.5V below the max flyback voltage.

    When the offset is not properly adjusted, the signal may be clipped to 5V, giving a much smaller slicing level adjustment range and less sensitivity.
    The closer you bring the slicing level to the top of the flyback ( the "widest" part ), the more sensitive the detector will be for small changes.
    Too close => instability.

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    • Removed all unnecessary ... See it all right? If so, then I will do PCB... Thanks!
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      • Removed all unnecessary ...
        You could also remove R22 = 10 Ohm, another jumper.

        R1 = 500 Ohm: make sure that this is at least 0.5W then - this is the reason why 2 x 1K in parallel was used.

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        • Ok ... Thanks for the help

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          • Can i use lm358 as replacement for lm318 ?

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            • Originally posted by bernte_one View Post
              Can i use lm358 as replacement for lm318 ?

              358 is duel op amp, 318 is single

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              • sorry, i placed my question too fast, a fact that i could find by myself

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                • Hi Bernard,

                  one very important info:
                  it seems as a result of the coil memory function the detector will perform very bad after changing the coils
                  so one simple trick
                  after last activity with first coil switch detector off
                  then remove the batteries and turn the detector on
                  then switch it off put the batteries in and connect the new coil
                  then switch detector on
                  enjoy and dont get frustrated

                  and how often told, dont use indoor

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                  • has someone done the latest smd layout and can post it here?
                    i would like to do some pcb with laser engraver coming weekend and test my new software

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                    • Originally posted by bernte_one View Post
                      has someone done the latest smd layout and can post it here?
                      i would like to do some pcb with laser engraver coming weekend and test my new software
                      One friend of mine has a co2 laser from china and we tried to make pcb with it. I don’t know why, but did not worked. The beam is not cutting thru copper layer.

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                      • Originally posted by ionut_mtb View Post
                        One friend of mine has a co2 laser from china and we tried to make pcb with it. I don?t know why, but did not worked. The beam is not cutting thru copper layer.

                        Probably due the the reflective nature of copper and copper's thermal conductivity.
                        Maybe if you give the copper a non-reflexive coating the LASER can transfer enough heat the cut the copper.


                        What power is that CO2 LASER?

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                        • Originally posted by waltr View Post
                          Probably due the the reflective nature of copper and copper's thermal conductivity.
                          Maybe if you give the copper a non-reflexive coating the LASER can transfer enough heat the cut the copper.


                          What power is that CO2 LASER?
                          130w

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                          • OK thats clear, but i will do this way
                            https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?133,235148,page=1

                            Better alternative method for my 2,5w laser

                            Another Method is to use photo coated pcb and exposure the Isolation Tracks with laser but you still need the chemical For Photo prozessing (potassium... Pipe cleaner)

                            To burn black Paint is much easier und only needs one chemical to etch the uncoated Copper area

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                            • Originally posted by bernte_one View Post
                              OK thats clear, but i will do this way
                              https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?133,235148,page=1

                              Better alternative method for my 2,5w laser

                              Another Method is to use photo coated pcb and exposure the Isolation Tracks with laser but you still need the chemical For Photo prozessing (potassium... Pipe cleaner)

                              To burn black Paint is much easier und only needs one chemical to etch the uncoated Copper area
                              I like that method. Still get very clean and accurate lines but without the need for high power LASER.

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                              • Hi SWL,

                                do you manage to design new pcb without unnecessary parts

                                @all
                                please take my info serioues, if you have bad detection distance it can be possible that pickini try to start up with wrong coil presets
                                this can happen if you use different coils while testing and later when detecting

                                i can hear difference while start up sound
                                good coil / or stored coil found while startup a short double beep sound after some seconds from power on

                                bad coil / or not the one which is stored - it appears very light sound after startup procedure

                                after some problems i thing it would better to remove this coils preset code lines, would cause less troubles ?

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