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  • DIY deep search PI detector for use with large mono-coil sled?

    What I need - a DIY deep search PI detector with auto ground balance or at least an inherent ability to work well in mineralized soil using a large PVC pipe single coil sled to search for deep nickel-iron meteorites. No discrimination needed. No LCD display needed, just audio feedback.


    Why I need it - I want to search a few sites of obscure, single XX kg iron meteorite surface finds just for the fun of it in the hope that deep searches haven't been done. The odds of success are very low and since this is a very limited effort I want to spend as little as possible on the detecting equipment for this single use.


    What I can do - etch double-sided PCBs, perform SMD assembly, test and calibrate with a variety of test equipment including an oscilloscope.


    I have "Inside The Metal Detector - 2nd Edition" on order.


    From reading here for a day I see these as a few of the candidates although none are specified for deep search and probably have a too-low-power pulse at too high a frequency (> XXX Hz) to be deep search capable:


    Minipulse Plus Rev E
    Geotech Baracuda
    Hammerhead PI (I already have a Rev. D through-hole and C1 SMD PCB on-hand)


    Are there any DIY suggestions for something else to use for deep search with a single large coil?


    I assume that the limited nature of what I need could be done entirely with analog circuitry. However, I wonder if a pair of the readily available and cheap ESP32 modules to provide wireless feedback from the ESP32-based detector unit into the towing vehicle cab could be accomplished even with its limited 12 bit ADC considering that just detection and not discrimination is required. As far as I know, such a design doesn't currently exist.


    From this post I gather that DIY microprocessor-based discrimination is forbidden anyway:


    https://www.geotech1.com/forums/show...373#post283373


    kt315: this forum is monitoring alltime by MINELAB. every second. any advanced high tech device will be banned via patent right in moment. so we CAN NOT do 'excellent machine'. you must learn QED story and do right conclusion. thats why we do just simplest analog projects, but effective. any PI device with discrimination micro-based with open code will be died.

    MDfanatic's reply: So any Pulse Induction metal detector that includes a micro-controller and has (even partial) discrimination can not be built because of Minelab copyrights? It's like saying that a car manufacturer has the right to stop other car manufacturers from producing cars because they have 4 wheels and a steering wheel.


    In the 2017 thread "Hammerhead Works but not detecting Deep"


    https://www.geotech1.com/forums/show...643#post237643


    Carl said:


    "If you want performance, there are better public-domain designs available now and better construction techniques that will get you there."


    Can you, Carl, or anyone else direct me to examples found here or elsewhere?

  • #2
    Delta Pulse. There is an abundance of information on the forum. KT315 can sell you a PCB.

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    • #3
      From your description of the requirements, I would also suggest Delta Pulse as the best candidate.

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      • #4
        thank you guys for your high feedback yes, i learned what is 'winter project' )))
        have last 4 pcs of the board on ocassion.

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        • #5
          Thank you all for the instant response.

          Years ago I went down this same path for the same reason and actually etched a few different PI detector boards to play with, one of them laid out just like the completed one shown here:


          https://www.geotech1.com/forums/atta...4&d=1610126229

          but I didn't drill or populate them because I got sidetracked by one of my other tech hobbies.


          The one I etched has the markings:


          www.teknolojiekibi.com
          01.04.10
          duzenleme: 01


          Is that a Turkish Delta Pulse II PCB?


          I found this and wonder if it is an improved Delta Pulse II. It's a Delta Pulse (PCB labeled as Marauder-2 Delta Pulse Legend +) / Sniffer XR-71 thread:


          https://www.geotech1.com/forums/show...ght=Marauder-2


          https://www.geotech1.com/forums/atta...6&d=1393695514


          https://www.geotech1.com/forums/albu...chmentid=47678

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          • #6
            https://www.geotech1.com/forums/show...ight=superscan.

            Superscan PI

            I think it's a good choice.

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            • #7
              our post offices are still working, despite Lithuania had got First Place in the world on covid-19. yes, that is undoubted success to break out into the leaders for shortest time.
              sht gov can bear just sht the records. btw we have -18C now.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Winston2021 View Post
                From reading here for a day I see these as a few of the candidates although none are specified for deep search and probably have a too-low-power pulse at too high a frequency (> XXX Hz) to be deep search capable:
                Most any of the PI designs can be modified to do what you want. Increase the pulse current, reduce the pulse rate, slow down the integrator, increase the sample delay, etc.

                From this post I gather that DIY microprocessor-based discrimination is forbidden anyway:
                That was a bunch of nonsense. Of course you can pursue and discuss micro-based solutions.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by profesor View Post
                  https://www.geotech1.com/forums/show...ight=superscan.

                  Superscan PI

                  I think it's a good choice.

                  Thanks, I'll check it out.

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                  • #10
                    kt135, you look like the person to talk to about that Delta Pulse II (PCB labeled as Marauder-2 Delta Pulse Legend +) / Sniffer XR-71 thread. Is that the latest version of a Delta Plus? The PCB looks beautiful.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Carl-NC View Post
                      Most any of the PI designs can be modified to do what you want. Increase the pulse current, reduce the pulse rate, slow down the integrator, increase the sample delay, etc.
                      I've got what I guess is your book on the way and already have your excellent v2.1 2006 PDF on Hammerhead assembly and theory. Any other similar gold-standard PDFs with theory like that on this site?

                      Originally posted by Carl-NC View Post
                      That was a bunch of nonsense. Of course you can pursue and discuss micro-based solutions.
                      Glad I asked and good to know.

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                      • #12
                        yes, thank you. i closed this been so too active DP thread by the board.
                        now it is quiet as Ukrainian night and just me answer on all going questions. what is mean right board LOL!
                        all revisions is same schematic. i changed only placement because people used components
                        not in dimensions i did suppose.
                        pleasure
                        Attached Files

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kt315 View Post
                          our post offices are still working, despite Lithuania had got First Place in the world on covid-19. yes, that is undoubted success to break out into the leaders for shortest time.
                          sht gov can bear just sht the records. btw we have -18C now.

                          +40'C and above in parts of Australia. just checked today a few +45'c, just too hot

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kt315 View Post
                            Lithuania had got First Place in the world on covid-19
                            Yes, Lithuania is in the first place all over the world ... all over
                            Attached Files

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                            • #15
                              - 2 or 4 place on clear ethanol consumption
                              - 1 place on number of suicides
                              - 1 place on covid-19

                              all records in the world collected. Darwin Award.

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