Garret Axiom patent?

[kt315]

In all cases, I strongly criticized such a enclosure and the position and height of the cable coil connector.

sure bad design. it is not for seeking in dirt rain/snow coldest conditions, like everywhere in Russia. i see again there is not good constructors, have degenerated.
sitting in the warm office room with CAD on PC near coffee machine, they do not understand/present what is real hunting. i did put XLT block in two film bags but they still were dirt and wet.
rubber band handles was very dirt and wet. i want tear off hands of those CAD's students BTW having great income in US dollars.
hey Garrett! where your money from on this magic project? ok, that is from selling ACE-250 in Russia.
again in Russia with your magic modern detector? do you want to go by ML way? LOL.

[ivconic]

I've used some VHDL tools that can automatically generate a schematic diagram, but the results are (being kind) "less than satisfactory".
It will be interesting to see if you have any success creating a decent schematic from a PCB layout. This looks like an extremely difficult task.

Sure it is.
More I get into it; more it looks difficult.
But somebody must do it, sooner or later.
This will be long term project.
I will probably have to include few more people.

[ivconic]

In all cases, I strongly criticized such a enclosure and the position and height of the cable coil connector.

sure bad design. it is not for seeking in dirt rain/snow coldest conditions, like everywhere in Russia. i see again there is not good constructors, have degenerated.
sitting in the warm office room with CAD on PC near coffee machine, they do not understand/present what is real hunting. i did put XLT block in two film bags but they still were dirt and wet.
rubber band handles was very dirt and wet. i want tear off hands of those CAD's students BTW having great income in US dollars.
hey Garrett! where your money from on this magic project? ok, that is from selling ACE-250 in Russia.
again in Russia with your magic modern detector? do you want to go by ML way? LOL.

[Sean_Goddard]

Based on the TDI I'll bet. At nearly £5000, they wont be getting many takes given the current state of the world economy, well maybe the usual muppets who think spending that amount of money will make them rich.

TBH, I'd take one of Eric Fosters designs ANYDAY over anything Garrett will EVER offer in a PI design. Much cheaper and PROVEN performance.

As for the mechanical "design" It's a CTX with a longer back box. Another rip off by Garrett of someone elses design IMHO.

[Carl-NC]

The Axiom is based on the ATX and has nothing to do with the TDI. As far as I can tell, it's a Garrett design and a pretty good one from all accounts. Hands down beats the TDI.
I would also give Garrett a solid "A" on the mechanical design, about a pound lighter than the CTX. Best PI enclosure I've seen yet.

[ivconic]

This is going to be fun!
Carl have you ever been out in real nature with a detector in your life?
Did you go searching in the wooded and bushy areas?
Did you search in rocky areas with many small and large hills, ups and downs, a lot of ground vegetation, etc.?
You obviously didn't. At least not as a serious detectorist who dedicated 6-8 hours that day to real detecting.
Because if you are; you would know what a big mistake it is to place the coil connector that high.
Well, the cable from the coil becomes an ideal trap for everything that is on the way.
Another big mistake is the upright case. So high from the shaft.
A bunch of errors and illogicalities in the design.
It is obvious that the design was made by someone who has never set foot in real nature and in real search in his life.
Hats off to your electronics knowledge. Hats off to the Garrett folks as well.
I really appreciate Garrett by the way.
But you obviously have never stepped into the shoes of a real "professional" detectorist.
That design might boost sales because it's a nice toy. But is a total failure for real detecting.
Of course, all this also applies to ML, Nokta/Makro, Quest... because they all have already made similar cases and made the same mistakes.
If we talk about originality; let's be honest: that design originally belongs to Minelab.
Apparently they didn't remember to patent that too because they wasted time patenting Jesus Christ and all 12 apostles...
Sorry Carl, but with your comments you show that you are just another laboratory expert but not a real an "off-roader".
You had Dave Johnson by your side, you should have learned better from him how it used to be done very successfully in the good old days.
Because Fisher made the best and most robust designs, totally adapted to the conditions.
I hope this doesn't hurt anyone's feelings or start debates.
This is just one opinion of someone who has been a "pro" detectorist since 1987.

[kt315]

this is a buddy in real conditions, not me. you have to see that is.

[filos]

Ukraine, Russia, and the Baltic states are not Serbia, Greece, Australia. For your conditions, the best device is DELTA PULSE....

[ivconic]

Ukraine, Russia, and the Baltic states are not Serbia, Greece, Australia. For your conditions, the best device is DELTA PULSE....

I already have the machine best for my conditions. It was first Fisher series and now XP Deus.
Certainly many people won't mind that design because they don't have the harsh conditions I have here.
Serbia is not the only one, these conditions exist in the entire Balkans and there are other areas in the world where they may be worse.
All together; it is neither a small nor a negligible number of potential detector buyers and later users.
If you make a design that will only be ok for one group of people; you lose perhaps a much larger group of people who don't like that design.
But in general, and without my specific arguments, it's a very bad idea to put the coil connector that high off the shaft.
The cable is in the wrong position and under more pressure and increases the chances of weakening, damage and further problems.

[ivconic]

I know this is going to sound wrong.
But I believe that real seekers are those who have something realistic to seek.
And that is ancient history and the remains of old ancient settlements. Also the places of great battles from ancient times.
There are finds of great value dating back to the very distant past. Such detectorists are the crème de la crème of our hobby.
When you find a prehistoric spear, very fine "filigree" work, preserved in mint condition (tempering technology) and you know
that it is 2400 years old... what else can compete with that?
Or you find "solidus", Roman gold coin, "Denarius", Roman silver coin. 5-1 century BC, for example. The Age of the Republic.
What else can compete with that?
That is why these areas are also the "crème de la crème" of archaeological sites.
As a smart designer, you should first align your designs with the needs of such a class of people.
If by any chance I lived in an area where there was no antiquity... I wouldn't even be doing this hobby,
because it would be a mere waste of time.
Apart from us who are like that, I would put the prospectors in second place, those who search for the golden nugget.
And they are the "crème de la crème" of our society.
Everyone else, who's greatest success is finding a nickel coin from some recent civil war... I'm sorry, but you're ridiculous!
Any Chinese copy detector will do a good job for you too.

[ivconic]

I would interweave this with games of chance.
You have some nursing home in Florida, full of old people.
To keep them from getting bored, you organize a raffle once a week.
And the main prize is a box of aspirin... or let's say the sum of $10!
And at the other end you have Las Vegas and mega casinos where winnings can reach several million dollars.
Which of those two markets will you take seriously?
For which of those two markets will you adapt the design of your products?

[filos]

Inconic.

[Carl-NC]

Carl have you ever been out in real nature with a detector in your life?

Yes, since 1975. I started out with lunch-box detectors. My personal preference is an S-rod as opposed to the T-handle on the Axiom because it offers better torque balance. The Apex is better designed in that regard. However, I rarely have a problem with the cable coming out of a high-mounted pod like on the Axiom because I am rarely in a place where I am battling pod-high brush. I do, however, often have to deal with brush at the coil level or at the lower rod level. In that case, snagging the cable can be a problem.

Keep in mind the Axiom is a prospecting detector. That's why I said, "Best PI enclosure I've seen yet." Not the best enclosure I've seen yet.

[ivconic]

Yes, since 1975. I started out with lunch-box detectors. My personal preference is an S-rod as opposed to the T-handle on the Axiom because it offers better torque balance. The Apex is better designed in that regard. However, I rarely have a problem with the cable coming out of a high-mounted pod like on the Axiom because I am rarely in a place where I am battling pod-high brush. I do, however, often have to deal with brush at the coil level or at the lower rod level. In that case, snagging the cable can be a problem.

Keep in mind the Axiom is a prospecting detector. That's why I said, "Best PI enclosure I've seen yet." Not the best enclosure I've seen yet.

I also prefer the S-rod. And that the coil connector should be as low and as close to the shaft as possible.
T handle, the way it is now popular, I think, was started by Minelab.
I saw it live and tried it with the Nokta Simplex+ and later with the Quest X5. Very poor solution for most of the terrain here at my place.
Truth be told; XP Deus would be even worse if I had the habit of mounting the remote on the shaft, in the place provided for it.
But from day one, I got into the habit of carrying the remote in a holster hanging from the lapel of my wardrobe.
White's on older machines, up to Spectra, has probably the most conveniently placed coil connector. Very safe and secure place.
Although this seems like a minor detail; in real life, with frequent field trips, 5-6 hours a day; this is a big problem!
Garrett is one of the companies I value the most. I had several of their models.
I am surprised that their "attention has slackened" on such details.
I don't blame Minelab for this detail, because before that I blame them for everything else!
From Explorer to here; they were doing everything wrong with the design!
When I bought the GP3000; there was no end to my happiness!
A few days later; there was no end to my disappointment.
Not because of the performance, which is fantastic, but because of the clumsy design, weight and discomfort in working with that machine.
I felt as if I had been translated thirsty over water.
Because you have the performance you wanted and you can't use it because the machine is too bulky, awkward, heavy and
after 20 minutes you collapse from fatigue, all nervous and wrapped in various cables mixed with bushes and branches!
Since then, all my criticism towards them begins. And since then I don't have a single ML model.
All these stories aside; it will be very interesting to see that Garrett in action.
I've always been somewhat uninterested in PI detectors... until you spread the epidemic here on the forum, xx years ago.
I find myself having more interest in PI than VLF I/B in the last couple of years !???
It would be interesting if XP tried something on the subject!