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  • #16
    FISHER 1265X METAL DETECTOR

    Hi Eugene,
    Yes, that seems to make more sense. I have not come across a late 1266X yet but if this is the transistor Fisher decided to replace the "problematic" Q506 with, I totally endorse it and I will try to source it to keep it in stock. Many thanks for the tip.
    On the subject of my other faulty Fisher Cz70, I have now established that the CZ6, CZ7, CZ7 pro and CZ70 pro all share the same twin surfaced mounted pcbs.
    I have a power supply problem where no voltage is being fed to the circuits and where you would think it should be easy enough to troubleshoot, but the fact is without a schematic, trying to trace the thin tracks on both layers and under the huge array of ics is not easy task.
    I believe someone has connected the two pin power connector (J3 18v) the wrong way round as it fits in both ways unfortunately. So, with two good 9v batteries, the 18v supply is present between battery minus and both the cathode and anode of D1 -which is a type CS400D and cannot find any data on it, but it tests ok out of circuit.
    Do you know what kind of diode is this? Also, I get no voltage reading across main electrolytic C1 so it looks like this is the area where the problem may lie??
    I have never worked on one of these circuits before and surface mounted components are a nightmare to source, never mind removing and replacing them without the correct tooling.
    I do need to establish what exactlly is D1 before I can continue the tedious task of tracing the supply link and other lesser feed voltages to the different stages.
    If you have any information, it would be much appreciated.
    Best regards
    Tony

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    • #17
      Originally posted by amtech2005 View Post
      Hello . It is actually a discontinued VPO104n3 P-channel FET . So NTE326 should work . Look at the pdf data folder and also a nice clear schematic from this forum already !! Other opinions are welcome .

      Best Regards...........Eugene
      Eugene, you are slighly wrong in label... VP_zero_104 - VP0104

      http://search.datasheetcatalog.net/key/VP0104
      http://www.alldatasheet.com/view.jsp?Searchword=VP0104

      have a nice day

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      • #18
        Tony, See post #11 in this thread.
        http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...&highlight=cz5

        The attached schematic is a CZ5 power supply. As I recall the CZ70 base circuit was similar to a cz5, but with a LCD display.

        For the diode use any schottky rated at 20v or greater, 1 amp.

        Regards Mark
        Attached Files

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        • #19
          Originally posted by kt315 View Post
          Eugene, you are slighly wrong in label... VP_zero_104 - VP0104

          http://search.datasheetcatalog.net/key/VP0104
          http://www.alldatasheet.com/view.jsp?Searchword=VP0104

          have a nice day
          Hello KT315 !! It is OK because I am slightly Learning these Fisher screw-ups !!

          Best Regards to Everyone ..........Eugene

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          • #20
            Fisher CZ5

            Originally posted by Altra View Post
            Tony, See post #11 in this thread.
            http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...&highlight=cz5

            The attached schematic is a CZ5 power supply. As I recall the CZ70 base circuit was similar to a cz5, but with a LCD display.

            For the diode use any schottky rated at 20v or greater, 1 amp.

            Regards Mark

            Hi Mark,
            Thanks for the schematic and info. It is much appreciated.
            I can see there are similarities but the CZ70 circuit looks quite different. It is the CZ6, 7 and 70 that all share the same pcbs, having said that, I got something to work on but I cannot see any Cmos enhanced transistor in my 70 power supply and cannot work out where the +10v supply (if that is what this one uses) is derived from. Tough cookie this twin board to troubleshoot without a schematic.

            Thanks again
            Tony

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            • #21
              Tony,
              Can you post a photo of the power supply section of the pcb?

              Also you might try writing or calling Fisher's repair department, explain your problem and that it would cost too much to send it to the US for repair. You may be suprised.

              Mark

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              • #22
                Fisher CZ5/CZ7

                Hi Mark,
                I am enclosing a couple of shots of the power supply and main board.
                In the past when I had to contact Fisher US about anything to do with technical
                stuff relating to any of their detectors, I was always referred to a UK approved
                repair shop which I do not trust and are very expensive, specially with anything
                like the complexity of these CZs.
                I will try them again though but I do not hold my breath.
                Anyway, let me know if you can spot anything there. I can see there is an 8 pin LM293
                ic. which is of course a voltage regulator but like I said before, nothing is feeding it
                at the moment.
                Regards
                Tony
                Attached Files

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                • #23
                  Nice photos, you are right that power supply is different than the analog CZ's.

                  From what I can see there are 3 LM2951's. These are adjustable voltage regulators.
                  Maybe one of them is for the display circuit +5v? The other 2 for the analog circuits?
                  The LM293 could be a low battery detect or virtual ground (see 1280X schematic)
                  Attached Files
                  Last edited by Altra; 05-10-2011, 07:26 PM. Reason: Lm2951 discontinued search "LP2951"

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                  • #24
                    I missed it earlier. It looks like water or battery juice leaked on the board. I would clean that before doing anything else. If you did not notice look around U12, LM339?, C20 etc. on your first photo. You can use alcohol and gently clean the area. Use a pin or exacto knife and scape the corrosion off. There could be a short in that area which is killing your power supply.

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                    • #25
                      Fisher 1265x

                      Got all the parts now and after carrying out all necessary set up and adjustments after the installation of components etc, I got all the correct voltages and everything is working as it should, well everything except for Disc 2, which does not respond when switched on by the Mode Switch.
                      The 3 way mode switch with its centre tag grounded and in the middle position works Disc 1 fine. Grounding it (switching it) to Pin connector 3 (U303 pin 13) enagages the Static Mode ok too, but grounding it to Pin connector 14 (U303 pin 6) which should engage Disc 2 does not and all it does is bringing on the Static Mode as if on the other position of the switch.
                      After grounding pin 6, Pin 9 also goes "high" which indicates the chip is switching correctly and there is nothing wrong with it.
                      The 8v from Pin 9 is fed to the other 2/4 of the switch Pin 12 Disc 2 Select but the ouput at Pin 11 is only 3.9v and the rotating os Disc 2 pot. does not change this voltage which is the same as Disc 1 Select Pin 4 but that does work the variable pot. Disc 1.
                      Have changed TLC27 (U302) but has made no difference.
                      Can anyone through a light on what could have gone wrong here?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by kt315 View Post
                        Eugene, you are slighly wrong in label... VP_zero_104 - VP0104

                        http://search.datasheetcatalog.net/key/VP0104
                        http://www.alldatasheet.com/view.jsp?Searchword=VP0104

                        have a nice day
                        Hi Eugene,
                        I was wondering if had seen my last post of 31/5/2011 re. Fisher 1265X discriminator 2 problem and whether you might have any comment on the matter?
                        Best regards,
                        Tony

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                        • #27
                          Hello Nalag46 . Sorry it takes a few days for me to answer on this forum .

                          I have question for you also . Are you repairing or building new experiment circuit from scratch .

                          Is it CZ6,7 or a 1265 ? Thank-you , this will help me to give you a correct
                          answer !! The 1265 that was built successfully had the 2nd notch disconnected .
                          Best Regards................Eugene

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                          • #28
                            FISHER 1265X METAL DETECTOR

                            Hi Eugene,
                            Thanks for getting back.
                            It is a Fisher 1265X I bought in a very poor condition (pots. broken, sensitivity push/pull switch damaged and most of the wiring dangling inside the box or wrongly connected).
                            You may remember, I also had the problem of a faulty VPO104N3 which I have managed to replace together with all the other hardware and now have a good working circuit except for the second derivative discriminator.
                            This is what I quoted In my last post of 5/31/11 below:
                            The 3 way mode switch with its centre tag grounded position works Disc 1 fine. Grounding it (switching it) to Pin connector 3 (U303 pin 13) enagages the Static Mode ok too, but grounding it to Pin connector 14 (U303 pin 6) which should engage Disc 2 does not and all it does is bringing on the Static Mode as if on the other position of the switch.
                            After grounding pin 6 of the chip, Pin 9 also goes "high" which indicates the chip is switching correctly and there is nothing wrong with it.
                            The 8v from Pin 9 is fed to the other 2/4 of the switch Pin 12 Disc 2 Select but the ouput at Pin 11 is only 3.9v and the rotating os Disc 2 pot. does not change this voltage which is the same as Disc 1 Select Pin 4 but Disc 1 works fine and it is fully adjustable.
                            I am still working on it (when I get the time) but have not yet worked out why the second Disc. does not switch on (I just get the static mode on both position of the mode switch).
                            What do you mean by the 1265X that was built succesfully had the 2nd disc notch disconnected? Was it having the same problem of not being able to engage or is there any other reason for that?
                            Thanks for your time.
                            Regards
                            Tony

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                            • #29
                              Did you see these pages already ? A lot of important information on this forum already .
                              From Ivconic and KingJL ?

                              Here is link to 3 pages: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14804


                              Check notch potentiometer also .

                              I think you will get enough information very soon.

                              Regards...............Eugene

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by amtech2005 View Post
                                Did you see these pages already ? A lot of important information on this forum already .
                                From Ivconic and KingJL ?

                                Here is link to 3 pages: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14804


                                Check notch potentiometer also .

                                I think you will get enough information very soon.

                                Regards...............Eugene
                                Hi Eugene,
                                I have seen all the pages on the Forum relating to Fisher 1265/6X. In the thread you quote above, there is a set up information which has been useful but I have a good working detector with not other problem except for Disc 2 not functioning (switchin in).
                                I havent seen anything discussed that relates to possible reason for this and would like to discuss the matter with someone who has worked on the entire circuit and might know what can possibly be wrong here?
                                I have checked literally everything but so far do not seem to get it to work.
                                Regards
                                Tony

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