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  • Really beautiful simplicity (ingenuity) Aziz - you will destroy "industry".

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    • Ok, sorry my bad. The circuit gets better with better high voltage protection of the transistors.

      Remove the zener diode in the circuits above and connect two zener diodes to emitter-collector connection of the transistor (each transistor needs its own zener diode). Select the zener voltage so, that the maximum voltage of the transistor doesn't exceed the specification limit.

      Another issue: Start-up of oscillation. If the oscillator doesn't oscillate, we can bias the transistors with slightly different resistors. That requires two additional resistors however.

      I have to build a test circuit to see the main issues.
      Cheers,
      Aziz
      Last edited by Aziz; 10-25-2012, 11:58 PM. Reason: typo

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      • See below, what I mean with the zener diodes. But select appropriate zener diodes (39 V for instance).

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        I personally like the PNP-variant as the coil voltages and center-tap is referenced to GND.

        Cheers,
        Aziz

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        • Originally posted by Aziz View Post
          See below, what I mean with the zener diodes. But select appropriate zener diodes (39 V for instance).

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          I personally like the PNP-variant as the coil voltages and center-tap is referenced to GND.

          Cheers,
          Aziz
          Don't tell me them there diodes ( D2 & D3 ) are in parallel with each other!!

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          • Originally posted by PATCHES JUNIOR View Post
            Don't tell me them there diodes ( D2 & D3 ) are in parallel with each other!!
            PJ,

            no, not connected parallel of course.
            Each transistor has it's own voltage protection zener diode (same type).

            That was the reason, why I have updated the schematics to avoid misinterpretation.

            Aziz

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            • Originally posted by Aziz View Post
              PJ,

              no, not connected parallel of course.
              Each transistor has it's own voltage protection zener diode (same type).

              That was the reason, why I have updated the schematics to avoid misinterpretation.

              Aziz
              Good try Aziz, but they are in a circuit hooked up "parallel" to each other. So stop with the crap Aziz. Any one can see what I am talking about. You know better!

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              • Originally posted by PATCHES JUNIOR View Post
                Good try Aziz, but they are in a circuit hooked up "parallel" to each other. So stop with the crap Aziz. Any one can see what I am talking about. You know better!
                I don't know, what you are smoking PJ. Can I have the same $.hit?

                I need two zener diodes, so each transistor is protected during the start-up process. In a normal operation, the zener diodes shouldn't break down. If so, take high voltage rated parts or reduce the supply voltage.
                Aziz

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                • Originally posted by Aziz View Post
                  I don't know, what you are smoking PJ. Can I have the same $.hit?

                  I need two zener diodes, so each transistor is protected during the start-up process. In a normal operation, the zener diodes shouldn't break down. If so, take high voltage rated parts or reduce the supply voltage.
                  Aziz
                  So your saying them 2 diodes are not hooked up parallel?

                  And watch your mouth Aziz. You already have 2 strikes my friend!

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                  • Originally posted by PATCHES JUNIOR View Post
                    So your saying them 2 diodes are not hooked up parallel?

                    And watch your mouth Aziz. You already have 2 strikes my friend!
                    PJ, ask your mentor if you don't know the answer. But tell him, that this genius(tm), beautiful(tm) and simple(tm)(kiss) "invention" is already public domain.

                    Aziz

                    PS: I want to smoke the same stuff. Must be a strong stuff.

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                    • Originally posted by PATCHES JUNIOR View Post
                      So your saying them 2 diodes are not hooked up parallel?

                      And watch your mouth Aziz. You already have 2 strikes my friend!


                      It's not often I stick my nose in on stuff like this but FFS PJ your just another Troll on a mission to annoy people, me included having to read this rubbish.

                      Do you even understand the term parallel hmmmmm, the zeners in question have got some inductance/resistance via the c-tap coil.

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                      • Originally posted by mickstv View Post
                        It's not often I stick my nose in on stuff like this but FFS PJ your just another Troll on a mission to annoy people, me included having to read this rubbish.

                        Do you even understand the term parallel hmmmmm, the zeners in question have got some inductance/resistance via the c-tap coil.
                        I agree with everything you say! But remember PJ is the same guy that has claimed that multi layer SMF boards are inherently bad because they generate harmonics!!!

                        dougAEGPF

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                        • Originally posted by dougAEGPF View Post
                          I agree with everything you say! But remember PJ is the same guy that has claimed that multi layer SMF boards are inherently bad because they generate harmonics!!!

                          dougAEGPF
                          errr ... actually PJ is right ... some multilayer topologies are particularly bad for radiating harmonics ... esp 4 layer.

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                          • Good morning guys,

                            *LOL* got a nightmare on parallel diodes (I think). Oh yes, there was something about evil parallel diodes...

                            If we would have a DC current path, then we would have connected them parallel through the coil. But the magic(tm)(hocus)(pocus) in the circuit is producing an AC voltage supply for the oscillator (half sine waves).

                            I hope, that the "parallel diodes" cause enough imperfections to the circuit, so that the oscillation can start. In normal operation state, these parts are becoming parasitic capacitances. But they are very important to protect the circuit (transistors) at the startup process.

                            Aziz

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                            • Originally posted by moodz View Post
                              errr ... actually PJ is right ... some multilayer topologies are particularly bad for radiating harmonics ... esp 4 layer.

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                              If ANY board is poorly designed then their can be a multitude of problems when its populated! But PJ made a blanket,unqualified statement and unlike you has never provided any explanation!He made it in connection with the QED inferring that the QED had harmonic problems because it used multilayer boards on 1 REV. This was and is completely untrue!

                              dougAEGPF

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                              • Originally posted by moodz View Post
                                errr ... actually PJ is right ... some multilayer topologies are particularly bad for radiating harmonics ... esp 4 layer.

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                                A 4 layer board with NO power plane will be much better.
                                dougAEGPF

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