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  • Some considerations on the metal detectors tests

    Hi to all



    For me, this is the first time that I write about metal detector on this prestigious forum,
    so I hope, at least, not to bore anyone.


    My speech is based on a trivial consideration and namely is that a metal detector is basically
    a transceiver and with these types of apparatus share its strengths and weaknesses.


    As a starting point then you should consider first the signal and its propagation in the air
    and in the soil and the consequent problem of the noise of which the signal itself is loaded.


    But how do you understand the importance of these considerations?
    For someone like me that has no basis in electronics, and therefore can only rely on logic,
    it is been very important to have material on which to experiment, but the real change for me
    came when I set up a comparative test field in the ground where is buried at different depths
    the same type of object (then left in the soil to oxidize) and where it's also possible to test,
    up to a meter deep, PI or Two-Box detector, with targets up to 25 cm in diameter.
    Said this, and coming back to the subject on trial, I think that the circuit of Arado 120b is,
    in its brilliant simplicity, an excellent test bench on which to immediately see the effects of changes
    put in place in the same circuit. For instance, simply making a fine adjustment of the detector electronics
    and mechanics, I had a gain in depth of approximately 30%, going from 15 to 20 cm on a coin of 6.8 gr.
    and diameter of 25.8 mm. in bronzital alloy ( 92% copper, 6% aluminum, nickel 2% )
    without counting the greater stability of the detector in the phase of research on the ground.


    So I think it might be a good idea to have standardized targets, such as the American coins
    (easy to find in any country); an apparatus, always standardized, with which to measure
    the main characteristics of the soil in which they bury the coins themselves and a table
    that allows you to compare the data.
    This would make it possible for anyone to assess the real progress made ​​in construction
    or modification of a detector made ​​by members of this forum, not to mention the possibility of establishing,
    with the collected data, tables truly comparative of the performance of the metal detectors (commercial or DIY )
    in any type of soil; tables, for better or for worse, that I think they can also be potentially useful also to those
    who produces the metal detectors.


    Last, but not least, I hope, family and time to disposition permitting, to mount a new 120b circuit to try variations most important that a simple adjustment of the detector itself and with the hope of being able to gain at least a further 25% on current performance always with a 8” coil.



    See you soon








    Blitzkrieg










    "All is lost except honor."

  • #2
    Originally posted by blitzkrieg View Post
    you should consider first the signal and its propagation in the air
    Maybe with microwave GPR, but not with VLF or PI detectors, and not even for SW GPR - there is no propagation in the air in such close proximity, and there is no reflection either. In fact the only propagated far field signals are best if canceled at the probe.

    Arado is in fact a very interesting rig with some very nice discrete comparators and some other pearls to behold. Would you care to link a video of it in action?

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    • #3
      Hi Davor,


      you are right as regards the propagation of low frequency signals in the air,
      in fact I thought to disturbances that the old metal detectors, in particular conditions,
      could have a heavy impact on the performance or, in some cases, make them unusable;
      today with the high-pass filters and motion circuits these problems are virtually nonexistent.

      Regard to the 'Arado 120b I will post, if you have patience, a bit' of photos since I do not have a video camera,
      in the case tell me if it's good for you; keep in mind that if you were to serve the variable capacitor
      with step decreased from 100 + 80 pF that I used to replace the original, I can let you have the capacitor at cost,
      about $ 15, but I do not know the expenses related to the postage.

      Just a question, what was your first detector?
      Mine was a C-Scope VLF 1000 an off resonance detector with a fantastic discrimination.



      Best regards



      Blitzkrieg

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      • #4
        This is all very new to me and my first and still only detector is Musketeer IGSL.

        I think it would be great if Arado is seen on video because I believe it has something to show. Please see if your camera is capable of taking videos

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        • #5
          Ok Dave, I try to send you a video on Arado in action, this week end, but please tell me what you want to see.


          Blitzkrieg

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          • #6
            Valid tests need to be repeatable and comparable.

            Real soil cannot be standardised and air test worth nothing in real world.

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            • #7
              We'll come to that, let's see a video first. I think it is worth a shot.

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              • #8
                Hi Davor

                here is the video, I apologize for the low quality, but as I said I do not have a video camera so I used my son's cell phone .

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