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  • #16
    Re: Silver Sabre circuit

    Hi Dave,

    I’m not disagreeing with you, but the “improvements” I suggested are based on my own tried and proved mods.

    The modulator makes quite noticeable improvements to the stability, as does using the N type amps.

    My own unit has had the time constants of the self nulling blocks altered which gives a small, but never the less noticeable increase in response to SMALL objects, but at the somewhat annoying tendency to “smear” on large targets or “overload” conditions.

    I use an increase of about 2.5 times as a gain factor over what Tesoro use on the front end.

    Once you get used to the foibles of the modifications you have made, then the machine “seems” to be much better. What I suggested was meant as a starting point, NOT the definitive guide to re-designing the SS.

    As to the xtal oscillator, I have examined over 50 Tesoro’s and found them to work anywhere between 8.8KHz and 10.5KHz. I for one do not believe that operating in the centre of this band at say 9.3KHz using a crystal derived Tx signal can do any harm.

    Yes the SS is NOT the most sensitive of units, but IS a VERY simple circuit with good discriminate which the beginner can experiment on and learn the basics of motion beepers.

    What I posted was not intended to be the definitive guide to re-designing the SS but was merely a suggestions of what people could “play” with as regards certain areas of the circuit to see what they might like to change for PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

    In short, IF YOU HAVE a Silver Sabre Plus, and ARE HAPPY with it, DO NOT “PLAY” WITH THE CIRCUITRY. If you want to learn about motion machines, then PLAY AWAY!

    I accept NO responsibility if you blow a perfectly good working machine up by implementing any of my suggestions. But asfar as a "new build" is concerned, then it's up to you.

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    • #17
      Re: Silver Sabre circuit

      Does anyone know which areas of the circuit were modded by Laser to make the B1/B3/Powermax series?
      I may be wrong but I think these were UK only detectors , being suggestions by the importer which Tesoro made specifically for them.
      These in their time (mid-late 90's) were mid-priced detectors which were praised for their sensitivity to hammered silver and cut-quarters and also Saxon coins.

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      • #18
        Re: Silver Sabre circuit

        Peter,

        Send me an email and I'll try to help you.

        I repair metal detctors and so see a lot of these machines.

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        • #19
          Re: Good questions

          Hi Peter,

          I noticed a couple of your questions really didn't answered.

          My experience is a DD coil is harder to build and keep in tune than a concentric. They can be tough.

          Coils can be tuned by changing the capacitance. Be careful in the selection of the caps though. One should use a polypropoleyne, polystryene, or polycarbonate type, if possible. They are more expensive, but more stable and have less losses.

          One should also know the original freuency the coil was designed to work at and try to stay close to the same frequency. Even the coil wire size can make a difference if the frequency is changed dramatically.

          I personally like the DD because of its reduced ground response and wider coverage on a single sweep. Where I live, the ground mineralization is extreme so the DD just seems to work better.

          Adapting a coil can be tough if you don't have the knowledge or the test equipment. It takes a good scope to see what is really happening.

          Reg

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          • #20
            Re: Good questions

            Thanks , Reg.

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