Deephunter - THE Newest Hitec Treasure- & Cavity-Finder !

[Nupi]

Sorry but I really do not know what you're doing.

"55% disc-level" What are you discriminate? iron ???

"a little 16,25mm and just 2,3gram lightweight european one cent coin" of copper???

European cent is made of steel with a copper layer
94.35% steel
5.65% copper

[Funfinder]

@ Nupi
and because the copper layer is outside, it is harder to disc!

Trust me, the DeepHunter discriminates very good, especially because you can double discriminate
by listening if its a low medium or high frequency output-signal plus from the usual discrimination.


@ all
A few days ago I made the same very high electrosmog test at the same location with the Blisstool LTC 64.

Without any discrimination and only sensitivity 2-3 was possible. You even can test it without e-smog how good the detector works on this low sens. level.
Of course it is not really satisfying to hunt with a detector on such low sensitivity where usual 80-90% is possible. It's like driving with a fast car very slow.

The result was as expected before:
The 1 Cent coin was barely detectable in air @ 10-12cm and this with a 15% smaller coil compared with the DeepHunter.


However the Blisstool still is one of the most deep detectors available for people who can handle it -
- as long as there is no train, high-voltage line or similar electro-noize creating stuff nearby!

But even at highest e-smog situations the Blisstool still is usful the double compared with Garrett's electronic-keyboard beepers
where every good signal sounds exactly the same as the detectors background noise unless the sens was reduced extremly.

Calculated together coil-size and lower depth it gives a result of ca. 35% less Blisstool depth than the DeepHunter @ very high e-smog conditions.


Here's the video:
http://mir.cr/IBJIOEBF
45MB avi 2min18

[landman]

My understanding is that the Nokta Golden King is not very good in high mineralization areas. The ground balancing is not the best and it's ability to not identify consistantly and it will false positive on gold and sound off when nothing is there in the ground. Since the Deep Hunter is it's kissing cousin would you comment on what I've heard in the field please about these issues and whether they pertain to the Hunter? Thank you.

[Funfinder]

Hi landman,

The DeepHunter is a 2in1 detector - it contains an improved version of the Jeohunter (non-motion, induction balance, very deep but experience needed)
and the new ultra-sensitive motion-circuit you can use with 35cm and 45cm coils.

The Nokta Golden King has additional electronic features like symbol-recognition, camera and gas-sensor but the Jeohunter had better quality
and is even deeper. Of course if the ground is very high mineralized and the detector is set to high sensitivity the ground-balance gets out of
center and a failure-signal can be the result. But if you are used to it you can find deeper stuff as with motion-detectors including deep cavity.

However the new motion circuit of the DeepHunter also is extremly stable and high sensitive, without almost no false signals.
I got a false signal when there was a large pocket of high mineralic loam on one side of the hole but this was a situation from 1 out of 1000
others without false signals. In the end it was just a good signal that this detector really is high-sensitive, because if this is the case
not all powerful distortions or disturbances can be "overheard".
But the DeepHunters motion-circuit is absolutly extremly strong to "overhear" all kind of electro-smog, I got the so far absolutly best
detection results in compare with all other detectors directly 30m under high voltage lines!

And the pure-gold-recognition - well, objects made of gold came in all kind of different shapes and alloys - but objects with similar
metal-ID-values or strange shapes like steel-cannonballs can give the same identification-results as gold - this is a problem all
detectors have. As long as you don't dig it out, you can't be shure what is it.

btw. the DeepHunter now also has a remote reset-button-unit for its 1m coil which makes it very easy to move it over
huge areas with very good and fast ground-adjusting.

For just the new motion circuit you also can buy the CoinFinder CF77 (around 600 Euros) (or the Nokta Velox) but seen from the weight
the DeepHunter with its hang around unit is much more comfortable to use with the 45cm coil and for longer hunting-activities.
And the DeepHunter still is able to work with non-motion circuit to detect also cavity and the 1m coil.
But if you wanna save some money first and you are not so shure ,you should test the Makro Groups CoinFinder CF77 (I haven't tested
the Velox so far, perhaps its the same good or a bit weaker, I can't tell you) and you will see how high sensitive it really is!
It uses 3 different tunes for iron, medium metal and noble metal and if you are used to analog and "not discriminated" signal-output
and your ears are trained a bit you will hear "magic voices" from so deep finds you never got so far.

Read this thread an see my test results, especially for extremly little stuff with the 33cm coil!
If you are not an expert treasure hunter, you may not want to have such a sensitivity, because you will find 5mm small metal-shards 10cm below!
Even under high voltage lines (perhaps at 7-8cm)!

[landman]

Since the C47 coil beats the T44 and the T100, why would you want to search with a heavier coil (T-44) and get less depth? Are the graphic features that important when detecting? Are the graphics important for deeper objects to determine if you are going to invest the time necessary to dig a deeper target? What are the advantages to the T-44 vs. the C47?

[Funfinder]

Hi landman,

the C47 is motion while the T44 and T100 is non-motion.

The C47 can beat the T44 but also vice versa. For an experienced treasure-hunter who is used to the non-motion circuit incl. manual ground-balance-adjustment
the nonmotion T44 (and also the much deeper T100 1m coil for large deep objects) can be of course deeper as the new motion coil.
Besides the both non-motion coils (there also exists a 3rd one with ca. 26cm) are able to detect cavity or special changes of mineralization (special meteorites etc.).

There is not so much difference between the weigth of the both ca. 45cm coils.
If you really wanna go hunt with a 45cm coil, and I really can just encourage you for such high effective search-style,
the main difference is to use a detector with hang-around-the neck unit versus one where all the stuff is mounted on the pole.
The most best solution for a person who is unshure about how good is the DeepHunter and who doesn't needs the cavity and 1m coil
but wants the deep 45cm coil would be to get the CoinFinder CF77 and mod it so you can hang all the stuff at your chest.

> Are the graphic features that important when detecting?

For some yes, for others not at all. Per instance the DeepHunters non-motion circuit is able to identify the depth (displayed on the screen),
but in most cases all those finds are not very deep anyway so (at least for me) it's just wasted time to start the depth-analyses!
And the metal-type-recognition doesn't matter, because both circuits have them anyway. However for cavity detection the graphic features
are important for inputing the ground balance values and to see how good the adjusted contrast and sensitivity for detection really works.

> Are the graphics important for deeper objects to determine if you are going to invest the time necessary to dig a deeper target?
Yes, this is the case, because you can see on the "oscilloscope-line-screen" how flat is the detection-signal-curve.
If it is very flat and large it is for shure a very deep and larger object. If the display shows a very steep, short and heavy impulse,
its near the surface and pretty small, perhaps a coin.
Besides with the depth analyses you get an impression how deep is it buried (I'm talking here about stuff that is 7cm in diameter or larger).
Per instance I found a 9cm thick cannon-ball at 60cm depth with the non-motion Jeohunter and 45cm coil and could see before its depth.

However you can hear because of the volume and larger field of the signal also with the new motion circuit if a target is larger and deeper.

btw. the nonmotion-circuit is even more or better "almost absolutly" immune against electro-smog and with a good portion of skills and experience
a treasure-hunter can reach ca. 15-25% deeper targets with a non-motion coil of the same size compared with a motion-coil detector.
The easiest way of course is just using the motion 45cm coil because this way the groundbalance all the time is automatic and the depth
still is fantastic! And another info: the new motion-coils are waterproofed while the non-motion ones are not so safe or good for underwater,
they should be put into a plastic-sack or sealed first additionaly with glue, silicon or other working stuff if dipped under water.

So in the end it really depends on:
- whats your prefered detection method
- how much money do you wanna invest
- whats the favorite stuff you wanna search for
- in which surroundings or area it is located

[landman]

Ok let me lay it on the line. I was in LOVE with the Nokta GK. There was something just plain darn sexy about the design and graphics. I liked the idea of seeing the depth with out measuring the distance between the objects width like the Deephunter. The GK ca detect an object of metal within a cavity and it tells you that it's both a cavity and metal in there. I WANT TO SEE BENEATH THE SOIL! So I ended up buying the DRS Ground exper and have been experimenting with it. BUT I'm still drawn to the GK and now am liking the Deephunter very much for what it can do that the GK cannot. Such as the Oscilloscope, metal content, graph of the objects(s) intensity. My plans are to detect in South America. Gold and silver artifacts - precolumbian, columbian in and around ancient cities. There is much mineralization in the Andes Mountains and there are two people over there that tried the Golden King only to get false positives, and hits on mineralized ground where nothing appears when dug. This still could be operator error. The Ground Exper is a digital pulse with discrimination. And one american treasure hunter sold his Golden King and bought a Exper and is using it successfully - meaning no mineralization issues - No empty holes. That being said what do you say is my best machine, coil and anything else you could share. By the way I've read all 27 pages plus there of your comments about the Marko products and have enjoyed every word.

[Funfinder]

Hi landman,

if you wanna go to Columbia, better take just some Garrett Ace with you - too much criminals there! *just joking*

Well, 1st:
You can see good beneath the soil with the DeepHunter and if those guys just got false signals with the Golden King
they have had no idea how to use it the right way! The Jeohunter was around 10% deeper than the GK because of
the higher production quality and the stronger focus to metal-detection only and the DeepHunter's depth now has
even improved compared to the Jeohunter, I have tested this personally - around 15% for 5-15cm objects nonmotion,
and motion of course only the DeepHunter has and the GK not.

But you also need some experience first to use the non-motion circuit which offers the graphical depth etc. analyses screen.
Per instance if you have found already some old ruins in the jungle and you walk with a partner and the 1meter coil
over the stone floor the ground balance has to be adjusted correct and the sensitivity must not be too high otherwise
you could get some fail-signals because of the EM-field- or energy-potential of the high-mineralic stones there.

I'm shure you will have additional small power-generators with you so you can recharge the batteries so its no problem
but if you first have to find some old temples or ruins it would be much better if you use either the 35cm motion coil
of the DeepHunter or another detector - keep in mind it must be hang-around the neck or being very lightweight
because in the deep jungle really every available conveniency is needed for being able proceeding forward fast.

I never tested DRS ground exper so I cannot compare both.

I'm feeling honored that you've read all the 27 Jeohunter-pages and that you liked it because I put really alot time into it,
including many tests, checks and even special modification improvements like the extra reset- and the display-off buttons.
Personally seen from the development Jeohunter --> DeepHunter the main real unbeatable argument is the
really extremly high sensitivity in combination with very lightweight hunting comfort.
With this detector at the chest and the 45cm coil in hand it is simple optimal for powerful hunting-sessions
and because of the many different options you can find mini-5mm-shards with the 33cm motion coil but
also the usually really not detectable stuff with the 1m coil.

The problem with all those p.i. detectors is that their metal-discrimination is really not the best, I saw some
gold-nuggets hunters in Australia and all the time they dug out rusty stuff with their super expensive Minelabs.
And the recovery-speed also is not the best. And I doubt you can walk with a 1m frame coil through the jungle,
but with a 45cm coil it is no problem. And those other GPRs with wheels can be a huge problem to get through
the jungle - they are not always very reliable, they reflect almost everything underground.

The big Pro point of a detector which can detect cavity is that you can search also over the walls
and if you get some signals you know already that there may be a room or other hidden place behind.

The best thing would be for you if you could test one of those non-motion detectors first personally.
And if you can get a meanwhile used or cheaper Jeohunter and a second usual motion detector for the jungle.
This also would be better because it is Columbia or nearby countries and the criminality could be higher there.

Keep one thing in mind: real treasures can be really deep. A week ago I saw a docu about Tuva, south Syberia
close to Mongolia. The 3.000 !!! golden artifacts had been buried 5 meters below the ground!
With all those small-coil-detectors someone has not the smallest chance.

I wish you good luck for Columbia, its for shure a fascinating country and you also can find super emeralds there.
But please be good prepared and good secured on your way because alot crazy things can happen there.
Per instance don't let others drug you with Burundanga or you could get the hell-trip of your lifetime!

[scs]

All detectors are perfect in static test.If move and the distance to the soil changes different everything .Detector who makes many false signals is a bad option.

[landman]

So Funfinder. You did try the Golden King? For how long did you test it? What did you like best about it and what did you not like about it?

[Funfinder]

@ scs
These detectors have been tested under real heavy conditions over and over again, the Jeohunter since 4 years, the DeepHunter since 1,5 years.
btw. I also have the Blisstool from Bulgaria which can detect mineralic stones, too, and for people who are used
to work with such kind of detectors it is also a very good option, especially meanwhile with the new larger 35cm coil.


@ landman
I have not tested or bought the Golden King because 3500 Euro for the Jeohunter was already a good enough investment in
2010 for me. It would have been just additional 5000 Euro this time for a detector that offers some nice gimmicks
like camera, GPS and a bit better graphics, but nothing really different compared with the Jeohunter.

But from different persons who have tested both detectors and from one who sold both in 2010 I know
exactly about how good the Golden King compares with the Jeohunter and meanwhile I know from my own tests
how good the DeepHunter compares with the Jeohunter.
As example the Jeohunters coil-quality and the PCB-boards are significantly better than the Golden King and
your describtions about the GK produced failure signals also leads into that direction.
However if they told you they got just failure-signals with the GK they had no idea how to use this detector.

Per instance you can detect in air an iron door with just the 45cm coil and the Jeohunter already from 3,5 meter!
An alu-case from 2 meters. If you reduce ca. 20-40% depending on the soil, you know how deep you can detect such stuff really.

If you only have the chance to get an used or new Golden King I would not say that you shouldn't buy it at all,
but if you wanna save yourself 1000-2000 bucks you can get better results with the Jeohunter oder DeepHunter!

And if you wanna prove first how good is the motion-circuit of the DeepHunter check out the Coinfinder CF77 for ca. 600 Euro,
you can use it anyway and it is even deeper than the already mentioned extremly sensitive Blisstool which cost around the same.

[landman]

Let me ask you then Funfinder. If you were going to hunt a ruins. Some flat terraces, field and then search around stone buildings. What methods would your use and why? (With your Deephunter) Would you scan all the flat areas with the T100 coil? Would you use Mode 1 or 2 with the stone ruins? The C47 mode 2 or the T-44 with Mode 1 or something else? Thank you.

[Funfinder]

Hi landman,

your question is not so easy to answer because it highly depends on how much money and people
are available for the whole expedition - especially into the jungle, perhaps a few trekking-days
away from civilization.

Compared with a Mt. Everest expedition - take with you all the needed stuff but nothing unnecessary.

Or seen as a videogame - first Level 1 has to be solved successfully.

If money and persons who transport all the stuff to the lucrative location is roger,
of course I would take with me the high sensitive 1m coil too and hunt with it,
because this way I would be the first person ever and since all time before there
who can get advantage of the technology.

Treasure-hunters all over the world became successful after using better
equipment on promising spots as their predecessors!

This is true because I made the same experience personally.

But landman, keep in mind first you need a really hot track and this one
you can find much more simple with a smaller coil.

If you use the DeepHunter with the motion 33cm or 45cm coil you are working
already with the for shure most sensitive equipment ever on this location,
and with the 45cm and 1m nonmotion coil you can find even secret temple rooms
or something like that, or places where they have hidden their stuff, like inside caves.

I would use first the motion mode to recover all the "easy to get - stuff"
and after that I would use the 45cm and 1m nonmotion coils for the special
and very deep targets.
If you wanna find cavity on complicated locations incl. high mineralic stones and
very thick walls you may need enough skills and experience first, but if you use the
45cm or 1m coil to detect very deep and bigger metal objects it is the best chance
you can get. You even can guess how thick is the stonewall, if there's a find behind,
with the depth-analyses feature.

On the flat terraces I would not hunt first, because those have been used most of the time
for growing vegetables etc.

If the indicators (because of already found gold stuff there) are strong enough
of course I would use the 1m coil very carefully at those special places because
the chances are high to find more stuff deeper or better hidden.

btw. with the 1m coil you als have a very good chance to stumble over interesting
stuff or places if you walk through regions where one person can hold the 1m coil left
and one right. If the area is flat and useable for this seek-method, 2 people can
walk very fast over huge regions in one day and can quick-check much faster areas
as one person could with an usual small-coil detector. Of course this higly depends
on the vegetation of the special region, in deep jungle the 33cm coil would be
the best alternative to look for the promising areas, first.

Its also a question of time and how long the digging consumes.
Some of those indian-stone-buildings are pretty solid and you may need a bunch
of persons to carry away stone-blocks first or blow them up and get away the rubble.
But of course I can not instruct you to destroy antique monuments.
However if the gold behind some walls is more precious than the whole ruins
you may have to find a way to it - without devestating the whole place.

The main goal first is to find promising locations and after succeeding the more
intense and professional search can begin.

Perhaps you also think about 2 different expeditions:

The first for locating the promising areas and the second one to get all the precious stuff out.

But beware with such double-action: if you have bad luck the word will spread about your discoveries
and others will go for it while you're away, preparing for the 2nd exedition with the "heavy gear".
They may not find everything because they have not so good equipment as you,
but still they may take away precious stuff from a place you have found first.

So better go in the jungle already with very good and the full treasure-detecting equipment,
(including sensitive pinpointers) get the deepest or best hidden and most precious stuff out there
directly and afterwards you still can go there again to find some more.

All you need of course is enough time, around 3-5 weeks in the jungle or high on some mountains
have to be planed good and exactly beforewards. I would calculate at least 10 days to investigate
the jungle and to find promising spots and another 10 days for the excavation work - to start with it...
Because if you find some since very long time untouched temple or town, it can take even years...

[landman]

Funfinder what about the pulse units such as the Lorenz Deepmax Z1 and the Deep Tech Pioneer 4500. From the Youtube videos they look like they go very deep and are great in mineralized soil. What is you opinion about PIs? Thanks.

[Qiaozhi]

Funfinder what about the pulse units such as the Lorenz Deepmax Z1 and the Deep Tech Pioneer 4500. From the Youtube videos they look like they go very deep and are great in mineralized soil. What is you opinion about PIs? Thanks.

I don't know anything about the Deep Tech Pioneer 4500, but the Lorenz detectors are manufactured to a very high quality, and they go deep.