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Finally "metal detector" is invented and patented. -
oh well,
that's that then..........
monopoly.
all across the world in the factory's of "other" brands.........
workshop foreman announces ,
"right then lad's.................may as well just go home then..............."
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What exactly is this patent for ? Basic "machine learning" in a metal detector? Surely none of this is novel ?Comment
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Mr.Candy just invented a correlation signal processing with the set of different basic functions . Congratulations !!!
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Hope that examiners will patent new (re)patent system approach too.Comment
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Recent Minelab detectors possess many settings that are often poorly understood (or at least somewhat confusing) for a significant number of users. Normally a user is expected to choose one of the operating modes based on prior knowledge of the ground, the type of target being sought, and some intelligent guesswork.
The idea behind the patent appears to be a method of automatically selecting the best operating mode on a real-time basis to take account of non-homogeneous ground.
The problem with this patent is the obfuscated legalese, which makes it difficult to understand.Comment
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One thing struck me, and that was the repeating refrain _ "at least two processed signals". But surely there are products from other manufacturers which can "think" and control and adjust via feedback and processing of signals ? So I cant see that as being patentable... Just seems too vague and open ended. I suppose the real question is this a patent for something, or is it a vague and unrefined concept that has been speculatively lodged....Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
By all accounts this a company that has tried to stifle the work and product of more than one other manufacturer.
Taking the guesswork out of setting up and optimising performance to varying conditions could be a boon for users unfamiliar with operating a metal detector.
But its often the inappropriate feedback from a basic machine that alerts a wily operator to hidden treasures..... Some of the best treasures are subtle tremors or whispers. Easily masked by overly optimistic gain. Or a non existent threshold. Now it would make sense for those subtle ones to be uplifted and highlighted by machine that processes signals with some kind of machine learning.....
As for most recent high priced products released. User "enlightenment" and practical user guidance has been stilted and late in coming. There was some disgruntlement, as prospective buyers had high expectations.
Seems to be a really mixed level of customer response and satisfaction.
Its a pity chudsters work with his metal detector rtos did not continue here on geotech. We could have our own "smart" and "open" processing platform. I wonder if Midas or HDPhilip still hear from him ?Comment
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Minelab's exercising patent muscle reminds me of an old Monty Python's sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23C9...outu.be&t=5m1s
They too produce detectors that put bricks to sleep, only for much more money.Comment
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Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...light=bbsailor
See what I posted here in 2013 in post #36.
As microprocessors are becoming more common, combining them with a PI machine can easily analyze the ground to help select the optimum TX and RX settings for any stretch of ground conditions and ground variations.
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I would of Minelab bought only paint and as a normal user would not buy anything only that I am from Australia !I consider stupidity detector with processor to paint it is not a military secret and no one will decide to something copied ,If it breaks, you can older models throw in the trash and I've tried almost all series,I can not see anything special ordinary vlf works great in Europe I would rather recommend Whites TDI but if you want a pulse detector ,complete nonsense buy detector after that You can throw a couple of years throw in the trash if you buy buy detector from Bulgaria who can fix What is so costly 7000 euro fujjj also very detector buy in Europe Europeans are a little backward
no color to paint detector Processor fujj
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOF...fQKJgiWMZh5eNw .... this 1300 euro I have personally seen nothing Nothing is better Minelab 5000 gpx ,, gpz- fujjjj
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I think what you're saying is that the claims in the patent are, well ..... "patently obvious"; and I have to agree. The scope is so broad, that it would be difficult to defend.Originally posted by bbsailor View PostComment
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Is it me or is the Patent system is out of control. Not just for metal detectors.Comment
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It is not you. The practice is broadly referred to as patent tax - a way to extort money from just about everyone.
You can't protect your IP by patents. It does not exist. Instead you have patent bullies (like a certain market leader) and patent trolls (like a certain market leader) who keep the broken system alive by pumping in money with their silly patents. You can protect your invention by other means, say copyright. If you disclose your work publicly and before anyone else does, you will be able to make and continue making your product, unlike with patented IP which you may lose by the whim of paten system.
Just ask bugwhiskers about his ordeal with the market leader and all the benefits of his own patent.Comment
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Hi Koala,
CarlNC and others commented on this a while back. On the one hand you have an understaffed system. And on the other you have individuals and entities who patent either for speculative purposes, or to provide hindrance and vex to potential competition.
The idea of using microprocessors to "take" two or more "processed" signals to provide signal feedback and further intelligent system control have been mentioned on forums dating back many many years.
bbsailors post ( http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...556#post164556 ), summed up many users and posters ideas, concepts and wishes. Most of which has been discussed in one way or the other over more than a decade, in threads on many forums.Comment
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