XP DEUS vs F75 vs T2 vs Macro Racer vs V3i .....

[tragac]

Please share experience and give some comments ,advantage/disadvantage on mentioned models also add favorite model for EU SOIL

[WM6]

Main problem is in treasure hunters itself and not in detectors, but they are not willing to be proper tested and reviewed.

[tragac]

Thank you on comment

I agree with you ,and that is reason asking for suggestions , probably somebody more experienced who have used mentioned models would give good comments and true answers
if we have many comments probably we can make or predict to make right decision ...

[WM6]

To get useful answer you need to tell more:
What sort of detecting you prefer or have in your mind: Prospecting, relic hunting, coin shooting, surf detecting.
Are there problematic soil, high mineralization, proportion of magnetite in soil, how many and what sort of trash are there, are EMI source nearby, expected depth of targets, what sort of targets (metall, alloy) etc.
On too general questions you can get only general answers.
Uncle Google has best answers, but you need to ask him.

[Skippy]

I think it would be fair to say that F75 / T2 / Racer are very similar performers. All single frequency, almost the same frequency (13K vs 14K) same type of search-coil, and online comments and comparison tests say the Racer compares well to the T2/F75 platform.

[Funfinder]

hi tragac,

please read the Makro Racer thread here:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...48-Makro-Racer

and compare it with the features of other detectors and coordinate it with your personal wishes.

Per instance yesterday I found within a few days my 3rd cannonball with the Racer and 40cm BUT with: vibration!
The center of this ca. 10cm relic was 60cm deep and you simply can "stumble" over it while listening to cool music!

And I have tested also an 1 Euro coin out in the wilderness without any e-smog nearby!
In air you can receive still fainting signals from it at around 60cm with the 40cm coil
and loud and clear at around 40cm, even if this coil is already a bit too large for such small stuff.

Of course search-depth always requires some experience, slow and exact searching an the right coil size
for the wanted targets. For coins you can use a 30cm coil detector but not for larger and deeper stuff.

And there is no standard "EU" or European soil. It depends if you're west or east, north or south,
at mineralized mountains, at sandy or loamy ground and even how much e-smog is nearby.

The Racer is adjustable very good to all kind of ground conditions by special auto adjustment
and someone even can find highly "metal-elements" containing artefacts like meteorites if the
ground-balance was set manually to pretty low.


Finally it is your decision incl. what you prefer and how good you've been informed.
And if you're not shure try to get a chance to test and compare all these detectors before
you buy them or get them for the half price as second hand models, and then compare them.

It's the same as with cars: not everyone wants or needs the most horse-power, expensive one etc.

[tragac]

it would be used for clay,peat soil in hills/mountains mostly without EMI for searching coins or similar ......

What if treasure it is buried in old stone house for example in walls from stone...


About Racer on forums can be read that is copy on F75 and T2 , and their new Velox it is copy on XP Gold Maxx ....

[Funfinder]

Well, clay will reduce depth depending on high mineralized it is.
Peat soil is no problem.
btw. peat or turf is not standard EU but pretty rare - available at England, the Netherlands,
northern Germany or regions close to the sea or even slighty below sea-level.
No EMI always is good and for coins a 25-30cm coil is the best.

If the stones of the house are nothing special you will have no problems
but in such case always a larger coil is better (35-45cm).

The Racer is absolutly no copy because it uses different electronical approaches and it
comes with features those other detectors don't have.
And seen from the design there are not much different looks possible for a metal-detector
with LCD-display and such display for alot different detectors meanwhile is the standard.


The main question for you is: Do you wanna work professional or not!
Are you interested in reaching maximum depth and being concerned about experience
or do you wanna play around with something cheap like the Garrett Euro-Ace and
not caring much about finding more than the standard not very deep stuff.

The Racer contains the capability to detect very deep stuff (while many other detectors don't)
but if someone can or wants to handle and use this always depends on each person itself.

[tragac]

For example searhing hold treasure buried in soil/or in old stone walls .....
Most important it is to know what is detected object nail/iron,gold,silver.....

[Funfinder]

> For example searhing hold treasure buried in soil/or in old stone walls .....
> Most important it is to know what is detected object nail/iron,gold,silver.....



In this case what you need is a detector for hoards, caches and relics -
which means minimum 35cm coil, better 40 or 45!

And of course the metal-IDs will give you some pretty good impression
of what it may be, but there is no 100% shure method because if metal
size changes also the metal-ID does so. Even if a flat object is buried
vertically instead of horizontally in the ground it can already give different
results and if jewelery or coins are made of alloys, no matter if gold, silver
or whatever, they also will create different results.

If a medium large steel cannonball shows up with metal-ID 60 this is
usually also already beyond the normal ID for steel and in this case also
the spheric shape adds alot to this higher metal-ID.

But under usual circumstances (per instance for smaller and shallow stuff)
of course the metal-ID can help to discriminate unwanted stuff.
And it shows the correct ID especially very good for already known
and always the same flat buried stuff.


But not always:
Pull-taps, alu-foil-junks and beer-caps fits perfect in the range of coins
while alu-softdrink-cans create even a super noble metal value!

Some days ago I found such "treasure" 30cm below a concrete hard gravel-road!
Great metal-ID and huge signal but only the junk of thirsty road-workers!
And I don't wanna know how much more similar trash is buried below streets ...

If you wanna scan huge wall areas keep in mind that the detector inkl. larger coil
(because for better penetration depth) should be pretty lightweight, because
you may lift the coil if you go every step forwards from ground-level to 2m above!
This is pretty similar with very steep regions where the coil also has to be moved
from low to high and 1000 times back and again. This is only avoidable by going
straight upwards while hunting (which is the same exhausting) or going all the time
slightly in curves downwards (but in such case the search region will be not very big).

For hoard-treasures inside walls and ruins only also a 2 box machine could be an
alternative because that way you can hold this thing vertically and walk with it
nearby the walls etc.

But keep in mind that the metal-ID will be not that exact for larger stuff.
Because the larger the size, the higher will be this ID even for lowlevel metal.
Per instance huge junks of rusty-iron-sheet also can create a "noble metal"-value.

I wish you good luck for your task because searching for the bigger and deeper stuff
also is my personal favour. However you need at least a 35-45cm coil detector.

[tragac]

Thank you on your good detailed answer

What do you think about Icon Data which is used in combination with PI MD or non motion MD is it possible to know more precisely
what is under the soil
Also what do you think about OKM and similar ground scanners , do you have experience .....

[Funfinder]

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...ON-DATA-LOGGER

http://www.imagelocators.com/index.p...etail?Itemid=0

Well, it depends how good is the quality of the data and how large is the area for image-mapping.

Please read this thread because we have had most of your questions already:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...d-rendering-2D

Avoid OKM with their LRLs and extremly overpriced magnetometer gimmicks.

And please inform yourself about the working principles of PI and magnetometer first
so you get any idea if discrimination, recovery speed and detection signals fits your needs.

[tragac]

What about delta pulse 3s and similar MD's
Thank you on all answers

[tragac]

also vandal pulse 3...

there is so many MD if we do not share experience can not know what is good

[Funfinder]

Perhaps you better open a new thread with the title:

What is the best P.I. overall and for big treasure hoards?

You can watch many youtube clips but you better try such MD on your own first,
so you know if you like the detection-style etc.

Seen from the depth there is almost no difference compared with VLF (induction balance).