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  • Minelab Go-Find

    Today I got hold of a Minelab Go-Find 40.

    First impressions - it's very plasticy, and doesn't look like it will have a long lifespan. I've already heard that the handle can be broken quite easily, and I'm not surprised. Also, the stem wobbles around a lot.

    On the plus side - it folds down small enough to fit in a rucksack, so it's also easy to tuck away in the car when you go on holiday. it's really simple to use, and with respectable depth. It can get a Victorian penny at 13" in an air test on maximum sensitivity. I did a quick test in my test garden, and it was able to find 2 of the 5 coins buried there. To be fair, no detector ever tested there has been able to find all 5. In general, only 2 coins are ever detected. However, the 3rd coin is sometimes detectable, but only because I know it's there. In practise, it's not a signal you would decide to dig. With one of my homemade detectors I can just about detect the 4th coin with a 4" coil. The problem with the test garden is the huge amount of ferrous trash. Some really cheap detectors can only find the 1st coin, and one detector failed to find any at all. That was a Viking 5.

    One thing that interests me about this Go-Find detector is the coil. It looks like a mono, but it reacts like a concentric. According the technical specifications, the detector runs at 7.7kHz, and Gary Schafer (Vice President of Minelab Americas) stated that the Go-Find uses their VFLEX technology, which is single-frequency VLF (same as the X-TERRA). He also stated that the coils operate from a pinpointing perspective similar to how a concentric coil would, but they are actually mono loop coils. So my question is: Does this mean the coil is being used as mono coil all the time? This is supposed to be a VLF machine and includes ferrous/non-ferrous discrimination ... so a mono coil doesn't make sense.

    Anyone care to speculate?

  • #2
    http://md-hunter.com/opening-the-min...-inside-photo/

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    • #3
      what i have readed the time the detectors was presented it is not a monoloop the rx and the tx are in the same body side by side very close togehter

      i have planned to buy one go find 40 first time they were intruduced in german market, but the reviews from the first testers and pro md hunters were so bad that some dealers decided they cant offer that md with
      good conscience

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      • #4
        Thanks. I've already seen that, but [unfortunately] they didn't open the coil housing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bernte_one View Post
          what i have readed the time the detectors was presented it is not a monoloop the rx and the tx are in the same body side by side very close togehter

          i have planned to buy one go find 40 first time they were intruduced in german market, but the reviews from the first testers and pro md hunters were so bad that some dealers decided they cant offer that md with
          good conscience
          Actually, I found the overall operation of the detector to be quite good for the price. If only they had made a better effort on the quality of the mechanical parts.

          Here's another interesting link to the md-hunter website -> http://md-hunter.com/another-coil-of...0-photo-video/
          I'm going to send them a reply to see if they're prepared to open the coil shell.

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          • #6
            If you know any radiologist, you could have an x-ray of the coil and see what's inside without going stone age on it.

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            • #7
              According Minelab, VFLEX technology does not use mono TX/RX coil, but separate TX and RX analog channel with separate TX and RX windings in coil. In case of GO-FIND we can speak about coaxial coil design, not mono. Or there is not VFLEX technology incorporated inside GO FINDS.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by WM6 View Post
                According Minelab, VFLEX technology does not use mono TX/RX coil, but separate TX and RX analog channel with separate TX and RX windings in coil. In case of GO-FIND we can speak about coaxial coil design, not mono. Or there is not VFLEX technology incorporated inside GO FINDS.
                Maybe they use an electronic ( digital ) balance of mono coil ?

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                • #9
                  Here's the VFLEX patent -> http://www.geotech1.com/pages/metdet.../US7432715.pdf

                  This paper is cited as a reference -> http://www.geophex.com/Pubs/GEM-3_mo...et_al_1997.pdf
                  which makes me wonder if the reference to a mono coil actually means a "monostatic", which appears to be an alternative name for a concentric coil.

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                  • #10
                    Here's another interesting link to the md-hunter website -> http://md-hunter.com/another-coil-of...0-photo-video/
                    I'm going to send them a reply to see if they're prepared to open the coil shell.

                    --
                    Mars's DD coil is sure not monocoil. regular good tale from ML is again and nothing of something fantastic. like 'VFLEX tech' that
                    was so advertised, but on checking is ordinary VLF coil design with opamp inside and with some u-chip protection from coils' coping by a side.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by deemon View Post
                      Maybe they use an electronic ( digital ) balance of mono coil ?
                      Could be, but knowing ML price policy for such one technology buyers should pay at lest 10 times of actual GO FIND prices.

                      It is simple coaxial coil design with their advances and drawbacks.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by WM6 View Post
                        It is simple coaxial coil design with their advances and drawbacks.
                        You might be correct there. The coil is 18mm thick around the outer edge, which could be enough room for the loops to be stacked on top of each other. Also, Minelab do say that the VFLEX coils need to be precision made.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
                          You might be correct there. The coil is 18mm thick around the outer edge, which could be enough room for the loops to be stacked on top of each other. Also, Minelab do say that the VFLEX coils need to be precision made.
                          But they also can use DSP to produce the digital TX signal and digital coil compensation signal , and then perform coil balance in digital domain . By the way , if you have this Go-Find device in your hands , you can make some experiments to find out the coil construction . Just use a little probe coil connected to the scope and explore the field lines concentration across the main coil . If the lines are stronger on the outer edge of the coil - it means that the TX winding is located there , with less diameter RX . But if the field is uniform outside and inside of the coil - it will definitely show the mono-coil construction ...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by deemon View Post
                            But if the field is uniform outside and inside of the coil - it will definitely show the mono-coil construction ...
                            It could be sandwich design too.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by WM6 View Post
                              It could be sandwich design too.
                              But if the coil is sandwich , the field must not be uniform anyhow ... the field will be stronger on the upper side of the coil - where the TX winding located , for example . So , the simple test can discover the mystery ...

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