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    I have know about this for some time but thought I would share one of my recent experiments. I did this trick with the TGSL project but it turned out to be much more effective with the IDX project. It may have even been discussed in another thread.
    A while back a few people discovered that subsituting an LF347 for the LM324 in U3 gave an instant improvement in sensitivity. This is generally because the offset of the LF347 is sometimes much less, and going through a handful of these can sometimes yield one or two really good ones. Typically, the LF347's I tested had a -2mV offset. The LM324's I tested were off by -10mv or more.
    That means that the outputs have a long way to go to trigger pins 3 and 5 on U4!!!!.
    Well why stop there? -2mV means quite a bit with targets on the outer reaches of depth..

    Solution #1. Look for the perfect IC for U3 ( yes, you may have to go through a handful of LF 347's.)
    Solution #2. Remove the ground wire from P5 and tie it to the negative 4v rail. (You can easily access
    a trace on the PCB near U4). On the Silverdog boards it's easy to find this trace on top of the board. This allows you to pull
    pins 2 and 4 of U4 slightly negative (about -1mV). Much closer to a -2mV offset.
    Solution #3. Works good but not as well as solution #2. Remove the + 4v wire from P5 and tie it to the -4V rail.
    If everything else is right, you can turn an IDX that detects rings at 8" into one that detects at 18"!!! (Air tests of course). With careful adjusting it still can run reasonably stable.
    If your IDX cannot find a gold ring at 9" in the air, it will never find one that deep in the ground!
    Don..

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    It is ok but for better control we have introduced R * = 56K

    regards Gaby

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dfbowers View Post
      I have know about this for some time but thought I would share one of my recent experiments. I did this trick with the TGSL project but it turned out to be much more effective with the IDX project. It may have even been discussed in another thread.
      A while back a few people discovered that subsituting an LF347 for the LM324 in U3 gave an instant improvement in sensitivity. This is generally because the offset of the LF347 is sometimes much less, and going through a handful of these can sometimes yield one or two really good ones. Typically, the LF347's I tested had a -2mV offset. The LM324's I tested were off by -10mv or more.
      That means that the outputs have a long way to go to trigger pins 3 and 5 on U4!!!!.
      Well why stop there? -2mV means quite a bit with targets on the outer reaches of depth..

      Solution #1. Look for the perfect IC for U3 ( yes, you may have to go through a handful of LF 347's.)
      Solution #2. Remove the ground wire from P5 and tie it to the negative 4v rail. (You can easily access
      a trace on the PCB near U4). On the Silverdog boards it's easy to find this trace on top of the board. This allows you to pull
      pins 2 and 4 of U4 slightly negative (about -1mV). Much closer to a -2mV offset.
      Solution #3. Works good but not as well as solution #2. Remove the + 4v wire from P5 and tie it to the -4V rail.
      If everything else is right, you can turn an IDX that detects rings at 8" into one that detects at 18"!!! (Air tests of course). With careful adjusting it still can run reasonably stable.
      If your IDX cannot find a gold ring at 9" in the air, it will never find one that deep in the ground!
      Don..

      "...few people..." was me.
      Once in the past (may be traced by date on forum) i visited one military scrapyard. There i stumbled on huge pile of pcb's from some military electronic medical equipment.
      I took few of those pcb's randomly. Later at home i spotted several LF347 chips on it. But those were in ceramic package (i guess some military standard...).
      So, first thing i done was to put them in SMW and see the differences.
      Differences were astonishing! Performances boosted up to significant and easy noticeable 25-30% on bench testings.
      I was more than pleasantly surprised.
      Than i posted those experiences here on forums.
      Ever since than LF347 starting to appears in many other diy's here and on other forums.

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      • #4
        I figured that I did "reinvent the wheel" somewhat and I do remember your posts years ago on the LF347. I did miss the post that Gaby pointed out though. These mods are worth the efforts!
        Don

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dfbowers View Post
          I figured that I did "reinvent the wheel" somewhat and I do remember your posts years ago on the LF347. I did miss the post that Gaby pointed out though. These mods are worth the efforts!
          Don

          Main point is in "...But those were in ceramic package (i guess some military standard...)...".
          Is it relevant?

          Nowdays i don't see those in local shops, only LF347 in plastic case is still available.

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          • #6
            According to the LF347 datasheet (at least the National Semiconductor one) there is a LF347B version that has smaller input offset voltages. Possibly worth checking which one you have?

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            • #7
              Yea, I was checking different versions today, as well as the MIL spec versions. They can get relatively expensive. I think that the work around that Gaby referenced is cheap and easy. Attention to the small details like offset can really make a difference.

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              • #8
                http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...hp?22943-LF347

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gwil View Post
                  According to the LF347 datasheet (at least the National Semiconductor one) there is a LF347B version that has smaller input offset voltages. Possibly worth checking which one you have?

                  It was LF347J. Tough to obtain these days.

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                  • #10
                    Excellent information.
                    Now my question is, if this mods can be applied to original IDX that i have with ground balance mod on it?
                    Regards
                    Nelson

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                    • #11
                      Yes, it can be successfully applied on condition that original IDX to contain LF347/
                      Regards
                      Gaby

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