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  • Do VLF metal detector transmit signals pass through metal in the ground ?

    Hi ! ,

    Every now and then I learn something new to me about metal detectors and how they work.


    I recently became curious about the depth of a metal detector's signal penetration into coins and other metal objects buried in the ground. From my research I came to the conclusion that induction balance (IB) VLF detectors generally produce a signal that penetrates all the way through a target. However, recalling a term I had read about years ago, called "Skin effect", I wondered what affect that might have on the depth of penetration. So having a copy of George and Carl's book titled inside the METAL DETECTOR , I checked the index and found skin effect listed on pages 17 and 34.


    Well, I was enlightened by the second paragraph on page 17 of the above book !

    Paraphrasing here, when the frequency employed for a metal detector approaches 100kHz, it begins to affect the current, causing it to have a tendency to move along the outside surface of a target. This affect becomes even more noticeable above 100kHz. Since low frequency signals are generally thought to go deeper and high frequency signals shallower, then from the magic frequency of 100kHz and up, "skin effect" escalates. When the resulting signal penetration is shallow into a target surface , the signal might be interpreted incorrectly by the control box as ferrous, rather than non-ferrous, or in reverse.

    In conclusion, for the majority of detectorists using VLF detectors with frequencies well below 100kHz, we can forget "skin effect" and assume that our coil signals are penetrating all the way through targets and the control box is generally reporting the target correctly......that is, most of the time.

    ToddB66

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    If "penetrates all the way through a target" mean, that there is no eddy currents in targets at VLF (under 30kHz) frequency range, than there is no detecting too? Probably something is wrong with my English.

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      Skin effect is a direct consequence of Lenz's Law. Eddy currents are generated in the metal target by the changing magnetic field of the coil, which in turn generate their own opposing magnetic field such that the eddy currents tend to be pushed outwards towards the surface. At very low frequencies the field is able to fully penetrate a target the size of a coin, For larger objects, such as a plough (plow) share, or a horse shoe, the eddy currents may not fully penetrate, and discrimination is compromised.

      The description you paraphrased from ITMD applies to BFO circuits, which generally use quite high frequencies, and therefore exhibit poor discrimination.

      WM6 - When ToddB66 says "metal detector signals pass through metal in the ground", he doesn't mean that the metal target is transparent to the signal. He means that skin depth at the TX frequency being used (VLF) is greater than the width of the target.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by WM6 View Post
        If "penetrates all the way through a target" mean, that there is no eddy currents in targets at VLF (under 30kHz) frequency range, than there is no detecting too? Probably something is wrong with my English.
        WM6.....No, I didn't mean there are no eddy currents produced while the signal is penetrating all the way through the targets. I wasn't addressing the subject of eddy currents in my post, nevertheless when the signal of induction balance (IB) VLF metal detectors comes in contact with a metal target buried in the ground the signal penetrates the target surface causing eddy currents to flow.

        Thanks for replying !

        TodB66

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          Do VLF metal detector transmit signals pass through metal in the ground ?

          Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
          Skin effect is a direct consequence of Lenz's Law. Eddy currents are generated in the metal target by the changing magnetic field of the coil, which in turn generate their own opposing magnetic field such that the eddy currents tend to be pushed outwards towards the surface. At very low frequencies the field is able to fully penetrate a target the size of a coin, For larger objects, such as a plough (plow) share, or a horse shoe, the eddy currents may not fully penetrate, and discrimination is compromised.

          The description you paraphrased from ITMD applies to BFO circuits, which generally use quite high frequencies, and therefore exhibit poor discrimination.

          WM6 - When ToddB66 says "metal detector signals pass through metal in the ground", he doesn't mean that the metal target is transparent to the signal. He means that skin depth at the TX frequency being used (VLF) is greater than the width of the target.
          Qiaozhi,

          Thanks for your above post ! Yes, I recognized that chapter 3, page 17 of ITMD was dealing with BFO detectors and that's how I came to my conclusion in the last paragraph and I think we are in agreement.

          Again, thanks for the added explanations in your first paragraph.

          ToddB66

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