Troy horse?

[ivconic]

Copy made in China or Troy horse?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free...a-fc960a368be2

[ivconic]

Original;

https://www.whiteselectronics.com/pr...gmt-geared-up/

[ivconic]

Maybe i am too skeptic... maybe i have rich imagination...

But let's say i am big manufacturer.
And let's say i made HUGE quantity of one metal detector model.
Let's say it is sold badly lately.
So i ended up with several thousands of units not knowing what to do with them...
I don't want to look bad and busted in public eyes by dramatically cutting the prices.
Just "yesterday" i put $900 price on that model and "today" i am pushed to lower it down bellow $400.
What would i do? How to save at least some money?
Ha! Here is what i will do! I will "smuggle" them across the ocean and sell them by lower price, acting that i am Chinese!
At the same time i will cheat the tax too!
Even better; as "exporter" i will earn extra benefits from my origin state!
Double win!
Is it just me and my imagination?
Or guys in China are that good?

[ivconic]

Further... i will put all the blame on some irrational non existing "company" from China...
Those detectors will be than sold and transported to Middle East.
Than some crazy and "honest" (stupid) Arab will destroy them in front of the Youtube camera...
Everybody (just me actually) wins!
Everybody "happy" too!

[Tibuck19]

LOLL Right that could be one route, But why go thought all the trouble of exporting then re importing, if I was said company id make new labels perhaps change a esthetic part or two and promote it as a middle to lower end product. when sales would find their way back up, simply make it as no longer manufactured line due to cost. Also one could hope that North Americans finally come to their senses and start buying north American products again. that is a low price! Sub 400usd

[ivconic]

LOLL Right that could be one route, But why go thought all the trouble of exporting then re importing, if I was said company id make new labels perhaps change a esthetic part or two and promote it as a middle to lower end product. when sales would find their way back up, simply make it as no longer manufactured line due to cost. Also one could hope that North Americans finally come to their senses and start buying north American products again. that is a low price! Sub 400usd

Why? Because when you "export" domestic product abroad; you are additionally stimulated by your origin state with lower taxes.
Other words; you'll earn a buck or few on each unit more.
$900 price is 9x times over the production price, in case you are producing huge quantities.
Since now bad times came; you can't earn $800 per unit and at least you'll earn $300 per unit. At least you'll empty your lagers and sell all the production.
Bad times like; lot of new competitions, XP&Minelab enters the USA market and made a mess. Lot of cheap others too.
MD market is pretty fed up already in last 15 years. Sale falls down dramatically. Even Trump became a president!!!
What to do? How to solve all those problems? How to prevail?
Simple! Blame it on Chinese! And at the same time sell whole your lager in no time!
Earn at least something! $300 is better than $000.
You don't even need to transport them abroad for real!
You can sell them through "Aliexpress", "Alibaba", "Aligrandmother" or whatever; piece by piece, unit by unit, from any other location on Earth. Whose gonna know?
You can go to Middle East and start fake company and sell through it, piece of cake!
Point is to sell. To get rid of lager.
Bottom line is to take any money for something you can't sell anymore regularly.
Bottom line is to prevail.
Even better is if you put the blame on somebody else and "mask" your business even more like that!
The rest of world will chase the fog and stay confused and you will continue to make a job from it!
Splendid!
Above all; Chinese are remaining to be bad guys ... as usual!

[ivconic]

I started to rise my doubts about this much earlier, but i was not sure.
But than i started to receive numerous reports from various friends worldwide about how good are performing all those copies "made in China" .
All of those tested are working good "as original"!?'
Last several reports i got about "Gold Bug Pro" copy "made in China". Works "better than original" was the conclusion!
And than i saw "honest" Arab destroying hundreds of those "copies" in front of the camera, later published on Youtube.
C'mon! WTF?
It was ML than, than Fisher and now is White's.
Who else?
C'mon!
Put $12 000 price on crap called ML and sell one unit per year, than offer the same crap "made in China" by $2000 and sell 10k per year!
Either way you'll make the planned sum of money.
Even better; for those "copies" you'll take no responsibility at all towards the customers.
...
New deal?
Quite cool!
Quite smart!

[homefire]

Posted link to Ask Whites on their Forum. We will see. LOL

[Tibuck19]

Posted link to Ask Whites on their Forum. We will see. LOL

Im sure we all know what their answer will be loll

[Funfinder]

A Trojan Horse is something where evil comes out!
Therefore it's unfair to compare such great and price-worth detectors with
artificial animals from Greece! LOL

Especially because there's written in red on aliexpress:
Attention: This product is a high copy made in China. If you mind it, please don't buy it.

You've been a bad boy, Mr. Balkan!



This screencap is from Grand Theft Auto 4 - I found the funny clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3iDm4rDv2A

And when we look at the price we get some impression what could be the
real prices of metal-detectors or how large is the margin ....
At least if it comes to mass-production, but meanwhile many electronic-firms
from Japan, Europe, Russia, America etc. have their production companies
located at China, India or South East Asia for raising ... their own profits!
Cheap prices for work, polluting the area with chemicals is no problem
and a "nice" amount of criminal energy and tolerance in these lands!

But this is competition nowadays having some "worldwide market" !!!
If MD-monopolists think they can create price-cartels, people might start
to buy the same good detectors from China for 1/4 of the price!

Of course its bad to copy the Know-How and expensive development
from others but if all those high class products are too expensive for the
not really super rich Chinese people, they are happy if they can buy at
least some not too cheap copy! This is only human.

[ivconic]

Funfinder you are missing the point.

[ivconic]

Posted link to Ask Whites on their Forum. We will see. LOL

I guess i will be banned at very moment as i type first letter of my question!
...
This could be just my imagination, alright.
But i miss to understand one simple thing in all this mess;
how the hell is possible to reverse the code from some pretty advanced uPC's involved there in some of those machines??
How to do that and how to do that fast and "actual"?
How to make exact copies of pretty much customized LCD's?
Some of those LCD's are non existing as standard models, not free to buy on market, alright?
(not talking about rather simple White's LCD... you know what i am aiming with this)
You may say anything, you may claim anything.
But, it is not possible to reverse the code 100% exactly from such protected uPC's NOR is possible to make exact copy of pretty custom LCD's made in highly controlled series for exact and dedicated model.
Otherwise... next thing to expect is 100% working XP Deus copies too. Because XP Deus would probably be the easiest to reverse it. Because of the free updates available and complete code in it.
Much less effort to reverse it than let's say code at Gold Bug or any similar.
Everything else can be done, i agree... though pretty hard and questionable.
And who would be crazy that much to invest so much effort&money&resources and start such replication production from a very start... as total greenfield?
Having in mind that hobby detectors division is still pretty niche area. Not something you can rely on to retrieve any money invested.
I don't bite that, sorry!
I believe that the very same production resources are used to produce "originals" and "copies".
Was it "industrial espionage" or was it planned intentional move (troy horse)? I can't tell. Nor there is a way to be sure.

[homefire]

" I don't bite that, sorry!
I believe that the very same production resources are used to produce "original" and "copies".
Was it "industrial espionage" or was it planned intentional move? I can't tell. Nor there is a way to be sure."


Received PM on their forum stating my post has been removed because that site sells them. LOL, Yea I bet. The chines are noted for taking Contracts and Cloning Original Product under a different name. I've seen Tesoro Lobo, Garrett Ace250 and others being ripped off.

This sure could put issues with Whites still being American Made.

HF

[ivconic]

" I don't bite that, sorry!
I believe that the very same production resources are used to produce "original" and "copies".
Was it "industrial espionage" or was it planned intentional move? I can't tell. Nor there is a way to be sure."


Received PM on their forum stating my post has been removed because that site sells them. LOL, Yea I bet. The chines are noted for taking Contracts and Cloning Original Product under a different name. I've seen Tesoro Lobo, Garrett Ace250 and others being ripped off.

This sure could put issues with Whites still being American Made.

HF

Expectable.
OK, let's take that it was "industrial espionage" in all the cases.
Next logical thing is to say that all those models are actually made in China and not in USA.
On the other side USA manufacturers are claiming the opposite in their advertisements.
Than it is not to expect that soon to see XP copies for one simple reason; those are all made in France in strictly controlled conditions.
But than again there is free update with most of the code included. The rest of product is a piece of cake to clone it.
So if they cloned those other brands and models; what's stopping them to clone the XP models too?
Pretty misty business... i tell ya!

[homefire]

It's obvious now that if you even just farm out some of the work to the chines their going to take advantage of the Tech and use what ever they can. Your shooting your self in the foot if you give them any technical Info on your products.

I noticed a Sticker on the bottom of those detectors with a Bar/Dot code don't know the code type on a partial dollar bill. Last month a friend in UK send me 2013 model GMT never been used in the box. It has no sticker like that. Is that something China is doing or did Whites Start doing that after 2013?