Nokta Impact - The new Multi-All-Round Detector in 2017

[ivconic]

Quote:"Impact is direct Deus idea copy! 100%."

Hmmm. The Racer is an "F75 copy", the Impact is a Racer on steroids, incorporating many good aspects of the Deus.
The F75 / T2, and the Deus are very popular in Europe. It's no surprise they're going to be influencing the design of other machines. What is perhaps more surprising is that First Texas have not produced their own "Impact" in the years since the T2 was launched (2007). They clearly have the know-how / skills, and the 'Greek Series' coil is wide-band nulled, so works OK from 8kHz ( Omega, F5 etc) to 19 kHz (G2, F19), so would be a decent starting point for a 8KHz / 16KHz machine.

Could be "F75 copy" too. Either way we have similar situation.
We have several models from different brands; looking and performing pretty much the same.
What's the point? You buy one; you've seen them all. Any eventual differences are minor and not important.
Turkish producer is obviously aiming to advance with greater testing depths, since they are forcing larger coils with their models.
(i am deliberately emphasizing "testing" because what you see on video tests and demonstrations; doesn't mean a thing in real life searching)
While "originals" are offered with smaller coils.
Alright, both ways are alright.
But that was not my point at all, i wanted to say that indeed nothing new is going on in md world in last several years.
Ever since Deus appeared on market. Wireless coil was significant breakthrough.
Before that we also had very long period of no ideas at all.
IB MD history can be divided on just few periods:

1) Period before Fisher 126x series. I would call it "ancient past". Before "my time".
2) Period of Fisher 126x series.
3) Long "dry" period, no ideas...
4) Period of White's Eagle series.
5) Long "dry" period, no ideas...
6) Period of XP Deus.
7) Long "dry" period, no ideas...
still lasting...
still lasting...
still lasting...
Everything in between is just repeating and making variations. Copying and stealing, everybody from everybody.

[ivconic]

Funfinder you are showing indeed great enthusiasm towards Turkish metal detectors.
Which is very good if you are Turkish, showing that you are great patriot.
Also it makes sense if you are in trading and advertising business.
Otherwise there is not much point in your enthusiasm, because is obvious that those products are not their genuine intellectual work.
Also is obvious that you are not spending much of a time on real fields in real searching.
Otherwise you should know that most of the precious and rare finds are lucky shots and nothing else.
How else to explain the fact that wast majority of such cases were discovered with obsolete metal detectors, winning over much more advanced models, on the same field at the same day, on the same rally?
Newer is not always the better. On contrary, speaking in percentages; newer stands no chances against older metal detectors in last several years. Simply because huge percentage of newer production is pure garbage.
We are still having a members in a gang with Fisher 1265, beating the crap out on the real fields among many other newer and more advanced models.
Why people do buy newer models? Could be due various motifs and interests.
Usually it's because older model has become ruined in time, broken, faulty etc.
There are people wealthy enough and simply can afford it. There are enthusiasts who are changing models for purpose of learning and collecting schematics, pcb designs, photos etc.
But also there are people who are keeping one and the same model for decades. Not because they are poor and can't afford it; but because they are satisfied with the detector.
Once you master your detector and get used on it; tough chances that you will change it so soon, within several years.
Especially if you get lucky with it. I do know many people like that.
Nokta Impact looks nice and promising.
According to it's behavior on videos it resembles much on Deus behavior, but could be on F75 too.
But i don't see much of a sense to rush in for buying it because it comes with wired coil which is huge disadvantage in my eyes, since i am having wireless coil for several years.
Also i don't see any sense in buying it because it looks rather robust, bigger and significantly heavier than my Deus (890 grams overall weight, remote with stem and 22.5cm coil).
And above all i don't see any sense in buying it because it offers me absolutely nothing better and more advance than the Deus which i already am having it.
I would have the same opinion also if i had any other model from top class produced in last 15 years too.
Because NOTHING significant has changed in last 15 years. Towards the features that makes real difference on the real field.
So who should consider to buy new Nokta detector?
Well... plenty of other potential customers left, of course. Very large market for it, obviously.
It will find it's place under the sky, same as any other model.
It looks quite alright. If i had no detector already and if price was affordable and competitive; most probably i would put it on consideration list too.
I don't mind investing in copied units, made by anybody else, as long as price is competitive and product is interesting.
I don't mind investing in "Made in China" products too, as long as those are meeting my expectations.
It is always much better to pay $300 than $900 for the same one metal detector. Much smarter too.

[AK48]

hello ! i just wanna says one thing , i detect and dig since 1978 and my first M.D was the TR77 from CScope " english made " , i never found something with it , no that"s because it is a bad machine , but because i didn"t know how to hunt , i was a really newbies , after , in year 2000 , i receive the famous 2500 GTI from Charles and i began to understand the hobby , i found with it lot of roman coins and the last was five islamic gold coins , just after a friend of mine sold me a second hand P.I from withe , the SMPI , and thanks to god , i found with it : Listen : one hundred and twenty five islamic gold coins . that's all but i believe that all M.D are good and new one are welcome .

[kt315]

Which is very good if you are Turkish, showing that you are great patriot.

if i hear the word 'patriot' its mean that someone has stealed something.

[Kemper]

Is a professional flight-simulator a toy or is it an important tool to train pilot-rookies?

The definition of what is hard work and what is a motivating game is fluent:
If you are motivated your work in the diamond-mine is a funny game and if
not your life as a party-animator in an all-inclusive holiday hotel is hell!


But besides this kind of argumentation:
There exists people who simply need tools who come with certain features!
When I wanna find meteorites and the MD is not able to find them its not the right one for me!
This is the same with PI versus Induction Balance ("VLF" technology).

And there exists people who are only motivated if the detector has vibration or "easy listening" audio signals
instead of erratic and good finds camouflaging beeping when there is some electro-smog around.

Sure, the main improvement would be the depth or if the MD also detects cavity etc.
But all the new features the Nokta Impact offers like to change the frequency to 20kHz for small nuggets
or to 5kHz for large coil and deep objects are simply very practical and the overall performance improving.


But one thing is completely an illusion:
Everything is just pure luck and you can find the same with every detector!"

We have some "feedback-chain": MD-users --> MD-dealers --> MD-creators --> MD-users --> ... .... ...
Because first is the demand and afterwards is the providing.
Otherwise the producers would produce but noone would need their products!

Now if people have problems with detectors or the depth they offer they are looking
for something better. And the better the detector is the higher will be the search-success.
Otherwise still everyone would buy detectors from the 80s or 90s!

Luck of course is a factor but I can't use the Garrett-Pro-Pointer,
stick it every 3 meters into the ground and hope for enough luck
to recover the most fantastic find this way!

The ACE250 is already limited by its standard coil size!
You have to sweep the double amount to cover the same area compared
with the Makro Racer's or Nokta Impact's 40cm coil by the still good enough sensitivity
if it comes to objects which are 1cm and upwards.

Seen from the calculation this way the success-chances already are twice as good.


Kemper, and that's why you can't claim that you will find 99% or even 200% of
what the Impact finds with the ACE250. If you have 2 different metal-detectors at
home you should make your own tests with buried targets and already that way you'll
see that one detector will perform better as the other.

You also can't find special mineralized stones with the ACE250 or Deus XP while you
will find them with the Blisstool or the Makro Racer (I guess the Impact also will find them).
The most simple argument would be that the ACE250 is already over 5 years old
and since then a lot depth improvements for all detectors have been made!

This is the feedback-chain I've spoken already about:
People wanna have detectors with better and not with worse performance!
And why Kemper do you think that someone pays 1000 Euro for a professional
detector if he can have the same many finds as you claim also with the ACE250?

But this talk here is completely useless:
People who don't believe that a detector is better as some other one and
don't wanna listen to those who make all kind of tests have to find a way
to compare them on their own or they can stay in their dream-world of:
"My little metal-detector beats all the 10x more expensive ones easily!"

Some countries are thinking the same way to be able to conquer the whole world!
Until they learn it the hard way! First it feels great to be king but not in the end!

The bitter truth is that people who are working with "bad tools" are missing a lot
good chances and when they compare their own success with those of others
this even can lead to frustrations which can bring the motivation fully down.

"I'm haunted by bad luck, I'm poking 100 times with my pinpointer into the ground
but find almost nothing!" Well, perhaps I should use some more appropriate MD?

" Kemper, and that's why you can't claim that you will find 99% or even 200% of
what the Impact finds with the ACE250. "

I never made that claim. If people make a claim they should be able to back it up. It's my opinion that the higher end detectors can out perform the lower end detectors ( such as an ACE 250). I base that opinion on what I've read. It is also my opinion that a person can be more successful with an ACE 250 than a person with a higher end detector that is not set right for the conditions.

[ivconic]

Which is very good if you are Turkish, showing that you are great patriot.

if i hear the word 'patriot' its mean that someone has stealed something.

[SVEN1]

I am surprised how well I do finding targets with some older VLF analog detectors compared to many modern day digital VLF detectors for my type of hunting. Cheaper as well.
So I have a hard time spending more money on a detector than I have to. Great deals buying used as well. You get to buy, try many detectors, if you don't like it, sell it off and try another.
If you have and love your Ace 250, more power to you, that's what its all about - finding a detector you gel with, does what you ask it to and it finds you stuff.

[Kemper]

I am surprised how well I do finding targets with some older VLF analog detectors compared to many modern day digital VLF detectors for my type of hunting. Cheaper as well.
So I have a hard time spending more money on a detector than I have to. Great deals buying used as well. You get to buy, try many detectors, if you don't like it, sell it off and try another.
If you have and love your Ace 250, more power to you, that's what its all about - finding a detector you gel with, does what you ask it to and it finds you stuff.

I could purchase most any detector on the market today if I wanted to. I mainly hunt un-searched residential lots. I rarely re-search an area. I may research some areas in the future but I will search an un-searched area rather than re-searching an area. I may be wrong but it seems that a set-up such as on an ACE 250 or similar brand/type machine is good for an initial search. It seems like 99 per-cent of what I've seen found would be found with an ACE 250 or similar brand/type machine. Chasing that other 1 per-cent can be costly and I can see where it could be fun if that is what a person wants to do.

[Luuk]

I have watched many people detecting on the beach and in the fields and when you watch video footage of people detecting where ever, it is understandable why areas can be rarely hunted out.
everyone seems to be in a great hurry when detecting. swinging the coil at a normal walking pace only covers about 10% of the area you walked.
so Joe soap can follow behind in his el cheapo detector and find more than the guy with his high end detector.
granted some detectors go way deeper than others, but the guy who is methodical in his search and really knows his equipment will always get more finds.......just my 2c worth

[WM6]

Anyone will read, what they wish to read: in or between lines:

http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/di...d.php?2,121626

[ivconic]

Anyone will read, what they wish to read: in or between lines:

http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/di...d.php?2,121626

Like on any other similar forums and with similar thematics; too much writings, too much for reading and yet you can't get any useful info.
I haven't read it whole, i am lost in first post already!
Besides i am in a hurry; Deus is waiting and day is short!
WM6 can you "compress" the point of all those writings there?
What was the point?
Just in few sentences please!

[WM6]

Maybe this citation can present the whole picture of mail exchanging/testing report:

"In the past couple of months...... the Impact has come a long way. I (now) feel it is ready for 'release' (product roll-out). Yet, lest we forsake the 'burning passion' to always continuously improve upon this World Flagship plateau "launch-platform". For the betterment of mankind....... much of the future.... is dictated by.... learning the past. Improving performance and depth....results in: A New Age of Discovery."

[Funfinder]

WM6 can you "compress" the point of all those writings there?
What was the point?
Just in few sentences please!

The compressed info concerning the very important improvement of depth the Nokta Impact offers is:

"the DEEP mode is the preferred mode (in Florida low mineral dirt). In one particular area/location..... I found 2 coins that I should have never of found. In both cases...... the coins were deep. I knew they were coins. (Due to my confidence in the audio artificial intelligence of the Impact). This prompted me to perform some head-to-head testing. The coins were too deep for the XP GMP to detect. The coins were too deep for a (non-boost) standard Teknetics T2 to
detect. They were too 'masked' for a CZ to see/detect. And..... one of the two coins was 'mostly' undetectable for the F75 to detect..... due to the slightly higher level of EMI encountered on the F75 platform."



And please ivconic don't assume that the Nokta Impact is just some copy of any other detector because
you REALLY would insult the pride of the engineers from Makro and Nokta with such a statement!
Do me this favor!

Of course there are meanwhile many similarities between Teknetics, Garrett, Fisher, XP etc.
but the look of metal-detectors and what features they should offer are limited.
And comparing the Impact with the Deus is a no-go because the Deus merely is some
smartphone connected to a coil! And if XP would have been really clever they would
have created some Android, iOS or Windows app which runs on every modern smartphone!


@ Kemper
I can understand why you are thinking that way (out of subjective interpretation)
but your approach is wrong. Imagine that some wonder-detector exists that shows
automatically EVERY find available at some area. Compared with this wonder-detector
the recovery-ratio (how many finds within a certain area and time) a professional
detector would have around 60% while the ACE250 only 30%.

You are hunting at places which are "stuffed with stuff" so your mind get's the impression
that the ACE really makes a good job. Sure, and lower sensitivity also might be more useful
to remove first all the surface-near junk because it gives more clear signals.
But if you would search at locations like I do where you will detect within 10min just 1 find
with the ACE but 5 finds with the Makro Racer 40cm coil you will understand what I mean!
And the 40cm coil is still too small for huge and deserted areas - should be 2ft or 70cm!

[Kemper]

Maybe this citation can present the whole picture of mail exchanging/testing report:

"In the past couple of months...... the Impact has come a long way. I (now) feel it is ready for 'release' (product roll-out). Yet, lest we forsake the 'burning passion' to always continuously improve upon this World Flagship plateau "launch-platform". For the betterment of mankind....... much of the future.... is dictated by.... learning the past. Improving performance and depth....results in: A New Age of Discovery."

Sounds like somebody watched the moon landing video a few too many times.

[WM6]

Sounds like somebody watched the moon landing video a few too many times.

Yes, with exception, that this time Space Shuttle launcher and control center, is based in Istanbul/Turkey and not in Houston/USA: