Dominate Freqs of New Vanquish??

[ivconic]

The quality of the plastic, the feeling in the hand as if it is very "soft" and as if it "sticks" to the hand.
And at the same time very rigid, strong and resistant.
It is not a round stem, but has a "design" with several angles, preventing rotation on the axis. everything fits perfectly.
Superior design.
The only thing that spoils the whole picture is the vertical box of the machine with high connectors.
If they had made an "S" design in that part of the handle, everything would have been even better.
When I say "best ever"; first of all, I have an image in my head of removing the detector box and use the rest entirely with another detector mounted under the elbow part.

[ivconic]

I "butchered" the image and moved the lower part of the stem to the right place, where it would be appropriate.
And then it remains only to make the box horizontal.

[ivconic]

The first Nokta detectors were despicable, xx years ago.
But in the meantime, they have made a lot of progress.
First, they started using high-quality plastic materials.
A big plus!
As for the design, in the previous post I tried to imagine how they would further change the stem and other mechanical elements.
On the road to perfection.
Next (and this is essential) is to advance electronic design to the level of Multi-IQ as in ML.
And then Nokta would be a perfect detector, almost without flaws.
...
But since this is a Ml thread, enough about Nokta.
I'm going to take a closer look at the 340 one of these days.

[ivconic]

Said - done!
Simplex has gone and Vanquish has come and it seems to me; it will stay with me for a very long time! Like Deus! Double trouble!
I unboxed it a while ago and did some preliminary masking tests in the room...fantastic! Exactly what I was hoping for!
With a small note; if the coil moves more slowly over a masked target; "error" in sound and VDI practically does not exist!
I will say this freely; in this aspect it is clearly better than Deus1.
If the weather is good tomorrow, if there will be no rain; I am going with it to a real field where the problem of target masking is very present.

[ivconic]

Another very important and good side of this detector is the design, retro, the case is low with the stem and the cable connector is very well protected,
exactly the opposite of the modern design that I often criticized at some ML, Nokta and others...
It's as if the people from ML read my reviews and made a design just for me.
And the price is incredibly reasonable....considering what you get for that price and who it comes from...I have often criticized ML for its high prices as well.
I'm going back to the ML club... so it seems!

[algan]

Another very important and good side of this detector is the design, retro, the case is low with the stem and the cable connector is very well protected,
exactly the opposite of the modern design that I often criticized at some ML, Nokta and others...
It's as if the people from ML read my reviews and made a design just for me.
And the price is incredibly reasonable....considering what you get for that price and who it comes from...I have often criticized ML for its high prices as well.
I'm going back to the ML club... so it seems!

How does the detector work in all-metal mode on mineralized soil and does the all-metal ferrite clean it like it does in discrimination mode?

[ivconic]

I can't tell. Damn rain spoiled my plans for today.

[EL NINO]

Ivica, I'm curious about your results in the field...
even though I have many detectors... among others the Equinox 800, I bought the Vanquish 340 out of pure curiosity... what multifrequency results will it give for its price of 238 euros... which is a third more than the price of a good branded pinpointer,,..

In my opinion, really difficult and extreme terrain compared to the Equinox 800 is a step lower... so it won't handle extreme terrain as well as the Equinox 800,,, but in my opinion, the Vanquish 340 can cope really well in moderately difficult terrain...

as for the separation.. I bought a small V8 coil in the size of 5.5 x 8" which can improve the 2D separation of targets.. in iron....

[ivconic]

Of course.
There is a reason why some cost less and some cost more.
The Vanquish 340 is the lowest in the ML price range.
Because there is practically nothing to adjust.
Sense, Volume and Notch are the simplest possible.
What is missing is the GEB.
I don't expect miracles either.
But I am satisfied with the results of my benchmark test in the workshop, by which I test all detectors in room conditions.
And that's promising.
I have an antique brick from the 5th-6th century that is a very heavy "mask" when a coin is found under it.
Almost no detector so far has detected that coin the SAME with and without a brick over it.
Deus shows iron in most cases, that the sound of iron and VDI numbers drop sharply from the range of 50-75 (even without a brick VDI numbers changes on a small Roman coin) to VDI 00-15.
Deus with white HF coil 22.5cm performs a little better in that test.
The Simplex+ and Simplex Lite provide choppy response and show iron all the time.
And not to mention a long list of other detectors that behave more or less similarly.
The Vanquish is the first detector to date that provides an identical, stable and unchanging sound as well as a stable unchanging VDI number on the same coin, with and without a brick over it.
Of course, I assume that everyone from the "Nox" series will do the same. And I would expect the same from Manticore.
What made me choose the 340 model first was the price. And before that, there was a video on YouTube that I was on, watching it; sensed that 340 would have this kind of performance.
But it's too early for any euphoria, until the detector is tested on at least one of the fields I have nearby.
But that test in the workshop is the first initial test with which I immediately check whether the detector is worth further attention.
Honestly, after this, the only thing I can think of for further acquisition is the Manticore.
But the only thing that repels me right away is the design, the case that is vertical and the connector on the case that is high, so the coil cable stands in the air like an ideal trap for branches.
If anyone from ML is ever reading this; I suggest they package the Manticore in a case similar to the Vanquish case.
It can even resemble the Explorer design.
From the new "promising" series of detectors from the top generation; so far, I've seen Nokta Legend live, which was a total disappointment, and Deus 2, which was also a total disappointment in its first release.
But previous experiences with Deus 1 tell me that Deus 2 should not be written off lightly. It is necessary to give time for the complicated settings to be well mastered.
And now here's the Vanquish 340, which was a total delight right away on the first simple test.
But for now, that's just the beginning of the story. I will know the real truth only when I take it to the real field.
On the same grounds that I previously took Legend and Deus 2 to.
Anyway, my previous plans to get Deus 2 are falling through the cracks for now. Now all I can think of is Manticore.
Why Manticore and not some of the "Nox" series?
Because I scrutinized a series of video tests and saw that the Manticore successfully overcomes some very difficult tests; which "Nox" does not overcome so successfully.
Although a friend from the "Thames mud lurkers" group mentions to me that the "Nox" models are now very popular among them.

[ivconic]

And that new fad with huge disjointed icons on the LCD...
All this is meaningless to true detectorists.
I don't want to decipher all the time what each icon meant.
I want a simple text menu when selecting the operating modes and adjustments.
The best compromise of the combination of icons, graphics and textual menus is certainly still on the Deus 1 model.
Even ORX and Deus 2 turned me off violently because of the hysterically aggressive LCD display changes.
Nokta went that route and I really don't like their UI.
Maybe it's because I'm old school, too old to easily accept those new trends.
But I still vote for the older approach like the Explorer and Deus 1. As well as the Garrett GTI series.
Because with those "shrill", offensive and nonsensical graphics on the LCD, the essence of working with the detector is lost.
Proof that not all new trends are good. They lead to further idiotization of the honest detectorist.
Give me the top boss position in ML for just a month and I'd offer the market the ideal detector of all time.

[ivconic]

An ideal detector would first of all have micro buttons hidden under a strong rubber foil on the front panel.
And not a foil membrane keyboard.
When one of the micro buttons breaks, it can be easily and simply replaced.
The enclosure would be completely waterproof.
The enclosure would first resemble a Vanquish enclosure.
The combination of graphic/textual elements on the LCD would first remind one of Deus 1.
And the performance would be from Manticore.
The lead/coil connector would be flush with the stem.
Of course, it would be ideal for the coil to be wireless like Deus.
And the complete stem/shaft would be like on the new Nokta Legend Lite.
Enclosure like the Vanquish, horizontal, ergonomically "fused" with the shaft and leaning towards the shaft.
The battery would be built into the detector, a Lipo, with a higher capacity. But easily accessible to remove and replace.
Get the XP and ML people to read this. And let them understand that apart from being great engineers; they are also not great designers.

[ivconic]

[ivconic]

This is a field I have been visiting for about 30 years. Although it is not easily noticed in the video; it is a very steep hill, covered with forest, the ascent is very tiring, ankles hurt easily.
At the very top there was a smaller fort that was probably demolished in some way and all the material was thrown in all directions down the hill.
It is also not easy to notice in the video that the surface is not just soil.
There is already a layer of over 1m of earth mixed with the material from that tower, a lot of crushed ceramics as well as too many "hotrock" stones.
All this was covered by dry leaves and new grass. It is one of the most difficult terrains (both for detector and human) that I have in the area.
Suffice it to say, I haven't found anything there with Deus in the last couple of years. I've been searching all day and I can't find a single coin.
Deus behaves extremely "neurotic" there, it constantly produce chatters that are so frequent and strong that no useful signal can be discerned between them.
The worst possible conditions and terrain that has long been "desolated" and for several years no one wants to come there anymore.
Ideal for a real test of a new detector.
And this is where the Vanquish performed very well. Pretty calm. There were almost no false signals.
I wasn't very happy there today. Barely three rotten coins. And a dozen worthless metals.
At the very beginning of the recording, the ML340 detected the worst possible finding; slag, something that is too much present on that field.
What is slag? Waste, which is created due to melting and excessive temperature exposed to metal, stone, wood... usual from such ancient buildings.
Or it is a product of some purposeful metal melting. So the debris simply spilled down the hill.
The difference between slag and ordinary rusty iron is BIG in the eyes of the detector!
Because slag produces a signal similar to non-ferrous metal when it gets under the middle of the coil.
I discovered a good method to identify slag with the ML340.
I set the "Disc" to "All Metal" (no notch) and move the coil a little wider left and right. And you can clearly hear the lowest tone from the sides and the high tone only in the middle.
Slag is a very deceptive target for Deus as well. And even worse for weaker detector models.
And all the rest of the unwanted signals, especially "hotrock" stones have a low tone response and the differences are only visible by the VDI number which goes more or less in the minus.
What to say at the end of the day?
Minelab Vanquish 340 is definitely a "keeper"!
It's worth saving it, it's worth taking it to similar places where Deus runs rampant.
And there are many such places in my area.
Conclusion: very satisfied!

[EL NINO]

Ivica ... it can be seen that you had success with the first search from Vanquish...

You have also captured the technical essence of the Vanquish 340... It is really quite well preset / elimination of field conductivity in the programs, setting the iron bias to such a level that it could effectively eliminate botlecap, so that you could eliminate a sufficient number of unwanted signals.. / but itself the multi-IQ technology always guarantees a stable ID in a sufficient range of depth..even on relatively mineralized terrain..
Features that are really good for the price..

a certain minus can be its reaction to larger iron, for example /small hammer or similar, or an axe../, which can give a good signal in ID 15-20... but Equinox also has this minus..

[ivconic]

The human mind is a strange thing. Now that I've seen how good Vanquish is... I'm starting to dream of Manticore!



P.S. Marketing "strategists" in ML are very corrupt robbers! A wild bunch!