Paul put up or shut up!

[ElectroNovice]

Paul as "guru" of EM, Pi and magnetismn phonons,orbital electrons and god knows what else here is a "little" challenge for you. As we are all doing everything wrong in Pi in design and testing perhaps you could design a Pi that will overcome the problems that you allude to. Or another method or technology or platform that will with 100% accuracy under ALL conditions ALWAYS tell the operator if the target is fe/non fe or both together without the operator having to dig every target.Perhaps you have a gold only technology or have found some new laws of physics or electromagnetismn? Pray tell!

Then lets test your platform or technology independently in the field and compare it with existing technologies and methods. Let us also see in the field how much you really know about prospecting and using a Pi and sensibly interpreting any signals you get and really if you have any idea as to how with platforms like the Gs5 you can get a very good Fe/non fe discrimination,as you know it all this should be a breeze for you!


Lets see some of your circuits,some test results,patents,publications,let us subject your ideas to rigorous scientific scrutiny. In other words Paul put up or shut up!
ElectroNovice

[Carl-NC]

I believe that while Paul is perhaps not very tactful in his discussions, I'd like to urge everyone to maintain civility in these discussions.

I do agree, in theory, with his basic premise that it is possible to trick any discriminator into falsely eliminating a gold nugget, if circumstances are precisely right such that the nugget response, combined with one or more other responses, appears to be trash. And, I agree that the only way to get 100% guaranteed discrimination is to dig every target and look at it.

However, I disagree that digging every single target is desirable all the time. And, although I don't personally know any professional detectorists, I have a hard time believing that every pro out there only uses all-metal modes 100% of the time. Like others have mentioned, I've been in areas where the amount of trash is so overwhelming that you have to accept some target loss just to find anything worthwhile.

Based on what I've read, I don't think Paul has suggested he has a platform or technology that avoids the problems he has pointed out. Maybe he does, and hasn't mentioned it. But I do believe that some good progress is being made, by other people who are working to solve the very problems Paul has illuminated.

Let's keep the discussions rooted in technology, and not personalities.

Regards,
Carl

[Unregistered]

ML

Based on what I've read, I don't think Paul has suggested he has a platform or technology that avoids the problems he has pointed out. Maybe he does, and hasn't mentioned it. But I do believe that some good progress is being made, by other people who are working to solve the very problems Paul has illuminated.

Perhaps Paul works for ML??? Just a thought...

[ElectroNovice]

Perhaps Paul works for ML??? Just a thought...

You could be right! ML certainly have something now to worry about! For the first time they have some real competition! Candy may have been trumped!
ElectroNovice

[Paul]

I believe that while Paul is perhaps not very tactful in his discussions, I'd like to urge everyone to maintain civility in these discussions.

Thanks for being respectful Carl. I openly admit a huge personal problem of mine is lack of tolerance. When I'm pushed, I shove back. ... Get's a little tiring correcting ElectroNovice on basic physics. It's not a lack of information that gets the best of me. Rather it's incorrect science. ElectroNovice has false conceptions of magnetic and EM theory. I'll try to somehow be more compassionate.

I do agree, in theory, with his basic premise that it is possible to trick any discriminator into falsely eliminating a gold nugget

And surely David, creator of Pulse Devil also agrees. Although I have yet to hear David admit it. No offense to David, but the people who might use such discriminators should know that it might be the bigger nuggets on magnetic materials that could set off the discriminator. Thereby losing out on the really good finds. These are areas that I pray David does extensive research on before playing on the hopes and dreams of other innocent people for the personal financial gain of one individual!

However, I disagree that digging every single target is desirable all the time. And, although I don't personally know any professional detectorists, I have a hard time believing that every pro out there only uses all-metal modes 100% of the time. Like others have mentioned, I've been in areas where the amount of trash is so overwhelming that you have to accept some target loss just to find anything worthwhile.

Yes, it is a matter of choice and opinion. Even the definition of who's a pro. is appreciably debatable. Although digging is usually looked upon as no fun, I firmly believe that any person who is making a living off detecting will dig all their spots.

Somewhere you inquired who are professionals or full-timers. I feel comfortable mentioned Jonathan Porter because he's open about living off metal detecting. He is, in my book, one of the best in the world ... and indeed uses a MineLab detector in Australia, at least a few months ago.

Discriminating against hot-rocks is fine and very doable in an accurate fashion. Iron disc. is another topic. I know my physics and if you use a disc. PI then you will eventually lose a good find. Now if a PI is analyzing high frequency fingerprinting then they could achieve perhaps high enough accuracy for even full-timers.

Based on what I've read, I don't think Paul has suggested he has a platform or technology that avoids the problems he has pointed out. Maybe he does, and hasn't mentioned it. But I do believe that some good progress is being made, by other people who are working to solve the very problems Paul has illuminated.

You are correct. I don't have a detector that can accurately disc. against iron. I know how to build a PI that has far greater depth than any ML. In fact, I'm confident that I can build a PI that disc. better than David's Pulse Devil, but only time will tell. Personally I have no desire to get in the detecting selling business-- none what so ever, lol. It's merely a personal interest. I think Eric and others are talking a big risk with the government. There is no way any top notch PI does not generate high frequency noise. Does it not cost a lot of money to test and certify an electronic device? IMHO not doing so is playing Russian roulette with the government. They are very busy, but eventually they will find time to catch you.

To answer the other persons questions, no I don't work for MineLab or any other detecting company.

Paul

[Kitsune]

Get's a little tiring correcting ElectroNovice on basic physics.

Even more tiring is hearing for the fifth time your personal religious beliefs about what constitutes a pro detectorist. If you have an unstoppable urge to preach it please do it elsewhere. That's not a technical question and as such is not really appropriate here.

I know how to build a PI that has far greater depth than any ML. In fact, I'm confident that I can build a PI that disc. better than David's Pulse Devil

Such declarations sound much better in the past tense - I built a PI far better that any ML or Pulse Devil. Thus far you demonstrated here your big mouth and big attitudes, care to dip in the world of science and prove that you can do something with hands and head too?

[Carl-NC]

Thanks for being respectful Carl.

That's all I ask of anyone posting here.

Why not tell us a little bit about your PI design?

- Carl

[Paul]

Even more tiring is hearing for the fifth time your personal religious beliefs about what constitutes a pro detectorist. If you have an unstoppable urge to preach it please do it elsewhere. That's not a technical question and as such is not really appropriate here.



Such declarations sound much better in the past tense - I built a PI far better that any ML or Pulse Devil. Thus far you demonstrated here your big mouth and big attitudes, care to dip in the world of science and prove that you can do something with hands and head too?

Wow, I'm overwhelmed by your science, LOL.

Paul

[ElectroNovice]

That's all I ask of anyone posting here.

Why not tell us a little bit about your PI design?

- Carl

Thank you Carl for saying this.I would also be interested in any web links to EM publications or references or patents etc that back up what Paul is saying or see what he has published in the recognized scientific literature like the Leading edge,Geophysics or Nature etc. If he can build a Pi that goes deeper than a ML and always discriminates with 100% reliability ferrous from non ferrous targets over any ground then he will make a fortune,both in the field of recreational detecting and more particularly in landmine and UXO remediation.But I suspect his post have nothing to do with Pi as you start to pick up clues like "MhZ and Ghz fingerprinting and Atomic dielectric resonance"
But as other posters have said actions speak louder than words.Let us see if Paul really can deliver on his bold statements or is he just another dreamer and attention seeker.If he cannot deliver the goods then he should be ignored.
ElectroNovice

[Kitsune]

Wow, I'm overwhelmed by your science, LOL.

Paul

Okay, Mr. paul still demonstrates that the only part that he can be proud of is his big mouth (and possibly his big ***). Whatever.