More Patent 4,507,611

[JC1]

[0016] Helms, U.S. Pat. No. 4,507,611, discloses a method of detecting surface and subsurface anomalies of the earth using vertical current measurements. The vertical current manifests itself as alternating current signals which can be measured and represents surface and subsurface anomalies. Local variation in the detected current signals are measured and correlated with the spatial relation to the points of measurement to determine significant measurements indicative of surface and subterranean anomalies.


http://www.freshpatents.com/Seismic-...0050179436.php

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More patents

[0018] There are numerous systems for geophysical exploration of the earth primarily for the detection of mineral and oil deposits. These systems are principally based on the detection and analysis of alternating currents, such as generally sinusoidal currents, from within the earth. Some systems impose a waveform into the earth, while others detect changes in existing earth currents. Such systems include, for example; Nilsson, U.S. Pat. No. 3,701,940; Miller, et al. U.S. Pat. No. 4,041,372; T. R. Madden et al., U.S. Pat. No. 3,525,037; Hearn, U.S. Pat. No. 3,976,937; Barringer, U.S. Pat. No. 3,763,419; L. B. Slichter, U.S. Pat. No. 3,136,943; G. H. McLaughlin et al., U.S. Pat. No. 3,126,510; and Weber, U.S. Pat. No. 4,044,299.

same link as above

[JC1]

Deaf Ears

Bump for Randy

see if he finds it.

Deaf Ears

All I got.

Link is dead.

too bad

good link.

[JC1]

Patent Monkey

A method for locating and evaluating surface and subsurface anomalies. Solar wind results in a multi-frequency, high energy ionic impingement at the terrestrial poles of the earth. Monitoring the activity of the solar wind allows the determination as to when the activity produces a vertical alternating current leakage (solar alternating current) due to the ionic impingement. When the vertical current leakage is in a proper range which can be measured and which reflects and represents surface and subterranean anomalies, a predetermined region of the earth to be prospected is traversed. Local variations which occur in the amplitude, frequency and frequency modulation of the vertical alternating current leakage due to the ionic impingement of solar winds at the terrestrial poles (solar alternating current) is measured. The measurements are recorded in correlation with the spatial relation to the points of measurement to determine significant measurements indicative of surface and subterranean anomalies.




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United States Patent 4,507,611
Helms March 26, 1985
Method for detecting surface and subsurface anomalies of the earth using vertical current measurements



Abstract

A method for locating and evaluating surface and subsurface anomalies. Solar wind results in a multi-frequency, high energy ionic impingement at the terrestrial poles of the earth. Monitoring the activity of the solar wind allows the determination as to when the activity produces a vertical alternating current leakage (solar alternating current) due to the ionic impingement. When the vertical current leakage is in a proper range which can be measured and which reflects and represents surface and subterranean anomalies, a predetermined region of the earth to be prospected is traversed. Local variations which occur in the amplitude, frequency and frequency modulation of the vertical alternating current leakage due to the ionic impingement of solar winds at the terrestrial poles (solar alternating current) is measured. The measurements are recorded in correlation with the spatial relation to the points of measurement to determine significant measurements indicative of surface and subterranean anomalies.

U.S. Patent Documents

1492300 April 1924 Lowy
2124825 July 1938 Machts et al.
2659863 November 1953 Stanton
2784370 March 1957 Morrison
3087111 April 1963 Lehan et al.
3126510 March 1964 McLaughlin et al.
3136943 June 1964 Slichter
3391334 July 1968 Ruehle
3398356 August 1968 Still
3662260 May 1972 Thomas et al.
3701940 October 1972 Nilsson
3763419 October 1973 Barringer
3849722 November 1974 Nilsson
3911435 October 1975 Mardon et al.
3942101 March 1976 Sayer et al.
3976937 August 1976 Hearn
4041372 August 1977 Miller et al.

{don't forget to check all the linked patents on these}

http://xrint.com/patents/us/4507611

Method and apparatus for detecting a transient phenomenon by monitoring variations of an alternating component of a vertical current emanating from the earth's surface

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4825165.html

http://www.patentmonkey.com/PM/patentid/4492924.aspx

http://www.wikipatents.com/5175500.html

http://www.freshpatents.com/Seismic-...0060018192.php

http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/5742166.html

http://www.wikipatents.com/4492924.html

{Hey could you explain this simple?}

{No}

[JC1]

Talking to Myself

[0008] Several techniques have been developed to measure these electrical fields which exist near but above the surface of the Earth. U.S. Pat. No. 4,507,611 to Helms describes a method of traversing the surface of the Earth and recording "solar wind activity of sufficient strength to detect anomalies related to surface and subsurface mineral deposits." This apparatus uses the root mean square (RMS) method to detect increases or decreases in the Earth's electrical fields. U.S. Pat. No. 3,942,101 to Sayer describes a prospecting apparatus that utilizes a distortion of the atmospheric electro-static potential gradient, which is suggested to be a result of the Nernst effect. Sayer teaches that the distortion provides a means for locating subterranean sources of geothermal energy.

[0009] Alterations in the Earth's magnetic fields known as "magnetic noise" as described by Slichter in U.S. Pat. No. 3,136,943, which discloses that such noise is primarily the product of lightning discharges. However, because many of these methods and apparatus are based on the AC components of the electrical fields, the techniques are more effective and reliable depending upon the size or area extent of the mineral deposit of interest. More particularly, the techniques based on the AC components are less sensitive and effective in detecting the presence of smaller mineral deposits. To overcome the shortcomings of the AC measurements, U.S. Pat. No. 4,841,250 to Jackson provides a technique utilizing the DC components of the electrical fields.

http://www.freshpatents.com/Electrom...pe=description

[JC1]

Hello Self

Due to the fact that the solar alternating current is a result of the vertical alternating current leakage from the ionic impingement of the solar wind on the earth, it is advisable that the solar activity causing such ionic impingement be monitored in order to enhance the measurement process. The monitoring of solar activity further enables elimination of interfering data which may be due to telluric or other extraneous currents which are existing in the earth. The solar activity can be monitored by any known technique ranging from visual observation of auroral strength or sun spot activity to the measurement of gamma, soft X-ray and other radiation eminating from the sun. The data is mainly derived from satellites

In summary, when solar activity is high, the more conductive deposits cause a localized increase in the solar alternating current flow (ionic occulation). The total data abstracted from such anomalies will produce a unique pattern. By recording both the current changes and the modulation of the frequency spectrum, both identity and location of subsurface deposits or other anomalies becomes possible with a precision and low cost unequaled by any other methods.

http://xrint.com/patents/us/4507611

[J_Player]

Hi JC1,

You might find some response if you re-post your information in the Remote Forum in Seden's thread: New Technique for Telluric Currents. Seden's Remote Sensing thread is more focused on this kind of locating method than you will find in the tech forum.

Best wishes,
J_P

[JC1]

Thanks

Hi J_Player,

Yes you are probably correct.

But instead of messing up that thread

I can make a mess over here and not get

anyone upset. Besides just providing information

here. Not explaining everything. Or how to find that

buried pot of gold. But that there might be something

here, once the effort has been made to first understand,

then to fabricate a device which will do the correct finding.

I am afraid that most of the "simple" devices, if they do

anything at all, are not going to "discreminate" between

everything and gold. or silver.

Informational purposes only.

Btw there are several "publications" also mentioned

in the patents. The effort to figure all this out will be

a bit larger than most are going to invest, even reading it.

Much less building something "real".

Hey not too worried about lack of response.

Not expecting much at this point.

most will need to "come up to speed".

so to speak.

[J_Player]

Hi JC1,

Do the conditions that you described about the general apathy of members of this forum lead you to believe that the few who actually study the real science may have already built working LRLs that are finding treasures as we speak? Does it make you wonder if most people here are looking for an easy handout schematic with tuning instructions and detailed fabrication methods to show them something they are not willing to invest the time to learn on their own?

Maybe this tends to prove the principle that anyone with a working LRL would not be motivated to go out and sell it. And they would probably want to keep their treasure locator a secret as well as the treasure they found with it. Think so?

My position has not changed: If I knew of a LRL that worked to find treasures at more than 50 feet distance every time regardless of atmospheric conditions, I would not be talking about it in this forum. This is a forum to share technical information, not to protect trade secrets.

Best wishes,
J_P

[JC1]

Not really

Hi J_Player,

Well now, sure everyone wants an easy way out.

Have it all done for them.

The reality is that this stuff for real is more complex

than it appears on the surface. or above the surface.

{that is a joke}

Now LRL meaning Long Range Locator hmmmm,,,,

not a good term for real stuff.

Since it has been throughly corrupted by the wiggle rod

routine.

Have to admit though,

after much effort,

one that really worked,

to a point,

would not give it away either.

besides there is a certain amout of math/physics/etc. that

a person must understand to even begin to go down

this road.

here is part of the book Randy is talking about.

some of the best parts are missing.

dern.

http://books.google.com/books?id=HrB...=title#PPP1,M1

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218...21822060ws.pdf

oh and someone mentioned

a magnetic coil (ac) field to get the ions.

the ions move in an interesting direction

in a magnetic field.

this has to also be previously understood

or the conversation ends up, well, for lack of

a better word.

Stupid.

http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wtrap1.html

[J_Player]

The reality is that this stuff for real is more complex than it appears on the surface.

...there is a certain amout of math/physics/etc. that a person must understand to even begin to go down this road

... this has to also be previously understood or the conversation ends up, well, for lack of a better word. Stupid.

Exactly!

Best wishes,
J_P

[JC1]

The Mad Hat-ter

Hey J_Player,

You sound like a nice guy.

I'll give a tiny bit away.

Mercury.

This stuff does perk u late up

through the soil and hang around

in the air.

Gvrnmints have used satelite data

to find ancient stashs in various countries.

Your favorite may already be gone.

They used other data as well, and infinitely

funded, you never stood a chance.

Doesn't mean it all made it to the

general fund either. gold can do funny

things to people, when it gets real.

[JC1]

Look

Hi J_Player,

The Mercury vapors were found spectralgraphically

if that is a word. A LIDAR would be handier on the

ground. These ION detectors can only do that.

Collect all the IONs of all types, maybe strip off

free electrons, which will be in Great abundance,

and then you might have a treasure below.

Once again you need to "discreminate" to find

exactly what you are looking for.

Like I talked about in this thread

but not sure who "got it".

So you can sell an ion detector as a

treasure detector, but it may not work

like you think it is and you will dig a

lot of deep empty holes, but you might

hit once and a while.

To do it right requires more "effort".

https://www.geotech1.com/thuntings/s...ad.php?t=13261

[Seden]

Hi JC1

Good to see you've been following my threads. As you've probably read the best system yet for Remote Sensing with discrimination was Anthony Barringer's latest offering. What he's using is known as 'Natural Field Induced Polarization" or NFIP. What gives it the ability to discriminate is the comparing the differences of phases which is what Spectral Induced Polarization is all about. Good stuff all of it, we've all got much to study up on. Wouldn't really take all that much to lash together a system and would be fun to see if you could do it with a pll like a crystal controlled 4046.
For serious work something like one of the new technology 8051's would need to be called in to do the job.

Randy

[JC1]

Hi Randy

Hi Randy,

Yes following some threads some

Lot of Noise on some of them

Hard to find any treasure

Think we were talking about demolulators

Nexus, I use AD630s.

But then everything I use

I designed. Front to back.

Commerical stuff like 4013 and 4053 switches

are getting real real old school.

Cheap but needed to die eons ago.

I like 120 db + dynamic range in the demod.

The 4066 PLL is one part I used back in 1976

for conversion of an antiaircraft radar to an

instrumentation radar. Ok phase detector.

Anyway, back on thread.

Yes reading your threads or comments.

Now what are were talking here?

Individual discrete metallic ions?

or electrostatics, deformed by buried treasures

or electromagnetics, also deformed by buried treasures.

and which should we measure

and how?

This thread is alot less noisey.