Compass Depth Doubler

[ivconic]

My suspicion was that many people found that the Depth Doubler didn't work, at least not for them, and Compass had to part with a large amount of money.

I expect I'm wrong though. Like I said, too suspicious.

I look forward to reading reports of the success people have using this system.

Don't know about those "many people", it works alright.
In first few posts I mentioned I tested it and what the results are.
Too good not to make it, that's why I decided to start all this.
I can't tell what was the reason to stop this production, I can only speculate.
It is possible that the operation of this device in some way violates some rules about the permitted powers of various transmitters, something like that?
It is necessary to examine, decades ago, how which law was passed and which restrictions came into force.
It is obvious that the device "radiates" large currents through the soil and yes, for example; it can seriously endanger some animal and plant species.
Maybe that's the reason, maybe something else. I wouldn't know.
But that the device really works as advertised; there is no doubt.

[ivconic]

What is important to point out is that the device was initially designed for use in locating native gold deposits and in gold nugget hunting.
Later, an advertisement was added about locating other valuable finds in the soil, such as coins, etc.
Probably due to other non-US markets, such as this part of Europe, where the focus is more on the search for ancient finds.
A conspiracy theory is also possible, that other competitors simply sued Compass and invoked precisely the violation of the rules regarding the output power of the devices.
Because the use of this device simply eliminates the need for customers to change detectors very often and to always buy new ones that are aggressively advertised.
The Western world, where everything revolves around money; is a world of dirty tricks and intentions.
There is no fair play.
The race for every cent is unscrupulous.
Isn't that proven to us every day?
So there are really many reasons for such a project to fail and disappear from the market.

[ivconic]

Various enthusiasts are trying to make a "device" from the step-up regulators that will similarly "excite" the soil and enhance detection.
I have seen cases where they directly copied the EPE resistivity meter and "remodeled" it into such a device.
Which again has nothing to do with Depth Doubler and how it works.
There are dozens of such cases on local Serbian ads, but all of them are primarily intended for the "successful use of LRL aids".
Supposedly you place 2 probes in the soil and then walk around with LRL forks and "see" objects in the soil better!
Hahaha!
There are such cases.
Well, the uninitiated easily confuse all these stories and think that the Depth Doubler is a device of that type.
As far from the truth as possible.

[ivconic]

Yesterday 20 clips arrived too.

[Artyom]

What is important to point out is that the device was initially designed for use in locating native gold deposits and in gold nugget hunting.
Later, an advertisement was added about locating other valuable finds in the soil, such as coins, etc.
Probably due to other non-US markets, such as this part of Europe, where the focus is more on the search for ancient finds.
A conspiracy theory is also possible, that other competitors simply sued Compass and invoked precisely the violation of the rules regarding the output power of the devices.
Because the use of this device simply eliminates the need for customers to change detectors very often and to always buy new ones that are aggressively advertised.
The Western world, where everything revolves around money; is a world of dirty tricks and intentions.
There is no fair play.
The race for every cent is unscrupulous.
Isn't that proven to us every day?
So there are really many reasons for such a project to fail and disappear from the market.

Good afternoon. There was such a question, will this device help in finding an object, both recently buried and long ago? Or is the device "charging" the halo spot? I hope I explained clearly)

[ivconic]

Good afternoon. There was such a question, will this device help in finding an object, both recently buried and long ago? Or is the device "charging" the halo spot? I hope I explained clearly)

For now, I can't answer that question precisely.
Good question.
What I know for sure is that it works and has a very good effect on freshly buried coins.
Because I tested it.
And whether and what effect it has on the "undisturbed" soil and targets that have been there for a long time; I don't know that until I try it.
These days I'm in a hurry to finish the device completely and to go out with it on the antique site as soon as possible.
But the weather is not in my favor.
The weather is very changeable, it rains quite often, some strange storms suddenly appear here, something that we have not seen in the surrounding areas until this "summer".
So the question is, when I finish the device; when I will have the opportunity to go outdoor and do a definitive test with the device.
But if it already has an effect on freshly buried coins; I don't see why it wouldn't have an effect on ancient coins that have been in the soil for a long time.
I expect even better effects in those cases.

[Skippy]

Quote:"But if it already has an effect on freshly buried coins; I don't see why it wouldn't have an effect on ancient coins that have been in the soil for a long time"
I think this may be one reason you have received little response to your sale: Bidders want some confidence that it will be usefully effective at 'enhancing' long-buried coins & artefacts. There are several possible problems that may make the device troublesome to use. For example:
It enhances the signal from all the rusty iron debris, which then 'hides / masks' the non-ferrous items.
It enhances the ground signal, causing a significant increase in false signals.

I admit I was surprised to see that it was effective on freshly-buried coins, but don't know to use this info.

[ivconic]

Quote:"But if it already has an effect on freshly buried coins; I don't see why it wouldn't have an effect on ancient coins that have been in the soil for a long time"
I think this may be one reason you have received little response to your sale: Bidders want some confidence that it will be usefully effective at 'enhancing' long-buried coins & artefacts. There are several possible problems that may make the device troublesome to use. For example:
It enhances the signal from all the rusty iron debris, which then 'hides / masks' the non-ferrous items.
It enhances the ground signal, causing a significant increase in false signals.

I admit I was surprised to see that it was effective on freshly-buried coins, but don't know to use this info.

Yes, probably the device will affect not only coins but also soil and other compound.
I haven't noticed too much problems with this on testing bed in my backyard.
Deus is chattering all the time anyway, but over the target it produces quite clear and undoubtfull response.
No masking that I noticed. But that's Deus, it overcomes the problem easily.

[ivconic]

...Bidders want some confidence ...

An interestingly worded statement.
And of course; completely accurate.
This is a figure of several hundred euros.
And immediately "everyone" opened their eyes wide, raised their eyebrows high,
took a magnifying glass with the highest magnification and silently observed the whole topic with disbelief and shaking their heads.
But the same ones; are without a shadow of a doubt always ready to give thousands of euros for some oversalted expensive crap.
The important thing is that there is a sticker with some shouted brand on that crap.
I'm not surprised, it's something that has followed me all my life.
It's just human nature.
Most people are "believers".
The proof of that is the huge number of people who have been deceived so far, who in one way or another have allocated tens of thousands of dollars for ... say "Mineoro" products.
And I don't like that I have to mention more specific cases; ML crap that costs from 4 to 12k euros.
And then some semi-literate Bulgarian made a ridiculous metal detector with a "handful" of parts, and that detector beat that ML to death in the tests!
It is in the psyche of people not to question and doubt something that has a "name" or costs a lot of money, but they tend to rather question and doubt something that costs "cheap".
I made the mistake of my life when I put a price of only 1300e on my Euromag 3D.
Right at the start, 80% of them said: "It's bull****, it's a scam, it's not worth anything..."
But at the same time, most of them will gladly pay 8-22k euros for an OKM magnetometer of similar (if not worse) performance. Without an iota of doubt in advance!
And the people I gave demos to make sure they tried it; everyone immediately spit out the whole story.
And became my worst enemies when it comes to marketing and upselling.
And if I put a price of 8-15k euros at the start; even today it would be a better device than any on the market!
And everyone who buys it will be praised to the heavens!
Pure elementary psychology. In which I clearly failed.
People want to hear lies and exaggeration.
People were nursed and raised on Hollywood.
People don't like it when someone destroys their dreams and fantasies.
Many have realized this and become rich. But you need to have a strong stomach for that.
Unfortunately, I am not one of those people.
...
So, if "Bidders want some confidence"... then there is no way me to provide them what they want.
Except me to make dozen devices and send to each one of those on tests. Which I will not do.
I am not that rich, also I am not that stupid too.

[Skippy]

"If "Bidders want some confidence"... then there is no way me to provide them what they want"
I think many thread observers are waiting for you to make your probes, etc, and venture out treasure hunting. If you report back with some positive opinions, or more positive ones than negatives , you will have some potential customers.

[ivconic]

"If "Bidders want some confidence"... then there is no way me to provide them what they want"
I think many thread observers are waiting for you to make your probes, etc, and venture out treasure hunting. If you report back with some positive opinions, or more positive ones than negatives , you will have some potential customers.

There is nobody so restless as I am, to do that.
But ... heavy clouds are passing by whole summer.
It is unpredictable what's gonna happen within hours... not to mention days.
Indeed pretty unique and uncommon situation lately.
I've been following this every day for several weeks, it is pretty accurate:
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=45.60;17.82;6&l=satellite

[ivconic]

Right at this moment it is calm. But things are changing so rapidly that I can't plan even for tomorrow.
The other day things have changed in just few hours, from "calm" to total disaster.
This was 2 weeks ago. In meantime same thing happened several times:

[MartinB]

I would be interested to know if this device works successfully with more than one detector operating within the ring of electrodes. Something for you to try when it stops raining.

[Skippy]

Speaking of 'ring of electrodes' :
The 'electronics box' suggests the AC output is from a transformer secondary winding (on a donut toroid ) , so it will be a near-zero DC resistance. The wires connecting the box to the probes are low-resistance copper. The ground resistance completes the loop. It makes me wonder: if the unit is switched off so detecting can be carried out, should one of the probe cables be unplugged, to 'break the loop' ? It would be a worthwhile experiment to try, plugged / unplugged.

[ivconic]

Speaking of 'ring of electrodes' :
The 'electronics box' suggests the AC output is from a transformer secondary winding (on a donut toroid ) , so it will be a near-zero DC resistance. The wires connecting the box to the probes are low-resistance copper. The ground resistance completes the loop. It makes me wonder: if the unit is switched off so detecting can be carried out, should one of the probe cables be unplugged, to 'break the loop' ? It would be a worthwhile experiment to try, plugged / unplugged.

Your interpretation is closest so far, bravo!
Not exactly like you desrcibed, in few points you missed, but yet closest so far!