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    One metal detector manufacturer claims that its new model provides ferromagnetic/nonferromagnetic information more than 60-70% from target detection depth- this for areas with an average level of mineralization, while for "normal" soils the discrimination reaches nearly 100% of the detection depth!!!( It uses a DD type coil ) I am very skeptical about this. Target time constant information is true at depths up to 70-80% of the detection depth, but whether the target is ferromagnetic or not - experiments show that the limit is about 10 inches for a 10 inch diameter probe (the limit is equal to probe diameter). When working on pure magnetite sand, things drastically change in a tragic direction... Ferromagnetic targets distort the magnetic field in the near area of the probe. This only happens when the field changes its intensity, whether law the change is sinusoidal or linear. This field distortion can only be detected by an induction balance probe ( reactive component of the signal ) . The ability to detect field distortion decreases dramatically with increasing depth . Reason - the reactive components of the soil are many times stronger than those of deep targets . Experience shows that deep ferromagnetic targets are identified as non-ferromagnetic, and deep coins are unfortunately ``ironized''- become iron .Only with deep searching type detectors type TX-RX (operating frequency 6-15 Khz , sine wave ) deep iron targets can be registered by the divergence of the signal center ( The detector is in "all metals" mode - the receiving coil is at such an angle to the transmitting coil that the signal (residual voltage ) increases in amplitude for targets below the detector, and respectively - decreases in amplitude for targets above the detector) . When the operator passes over the deep target back and forth, the sound indication starts/ends asymmetrically on the ferromagnetic targets - the difference is about 3-4 inches . This is valid only for soils with low reactive signal components, of course... So - is it possible to identify deep ferromagnetic targets?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Riss View Post
    So - is it possible to identify deep ferromagnetic targets?
    Once an object is detected use a magnetometer, they are more sensitive than metal detectors.

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    • #3
      I know, but the magnetometer check has some disadvantages... :
      • - They are scarce and expensive
      • - They work well only on soils with low magnetic permeability and they "love" hot rocks very much
      • - Checking takes time, which reduces efficiency

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      • #4
        Such techniques are used by the RM3100 board made by PNI Corp. This sells for around $20 in the US and gives output accurate to 10 nT or so.​
        https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/~cmi/mag/magChip.html

        https://github.com/hnguy169/RM3100-Arduino


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        • #5
          test

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          • #6
            Many thanks for the information, I will order the board. however, I raised the topic of the maximum discrimination capabilities of induction balance sensor systems and electronics because the manufacturer's claims raised my blood pressure

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            • #7
              I think a new topic > VDI how reliable it is ? < can give some answers.

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              • #8
                in my region we enjoy a reliable and as deep as possible discrimination of iron objects. it is sufficient for our needs .VDI is a purely commercial approach to reach into the pocket of people who have no practice with metal detectors

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                • #9
                  We tried Aka Signum. As far as I know, this metal detector at depth and under magnetic soil shows better results than many famous multi-frequency devices. I have Minelab 900, so if Signum is hardware, then it will sound the hardware. Min.900 vice versa.

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                  • #10
                    This is probably the detector that Riss is referring to?
                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6-VwPymTps

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                    • #11
                      The demonstration was done very correctly and smartly, I have no objections.
                      And I'm impressed with the results.
                      The only thing I would like to see is "recovery speed", ie. coin test next to an iron nail.
                      The owner of the channel is "Mikronbg".
                      However, I can't find that detector model on the Mikron Bg website?
                      Is that the model in the announcement and what will the price be?

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                      • #12
                        It is bit confusing... is it Bulgarian, is it Russian, is it "AKA" or "MikronBg" ???

                        Finally i got some infos:

                        https://www.akadetectors.com/product...V9g0GxHXmrKoHg

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                        • #13
                          AKA Smart Pulse - €1580
                          If in reality it is really that good; how good it is on videos: then the price is ok, acceptable.
                          "The devil took the joke off" the local sites. (local saying)
                          The situation is very harsh.
                          No more shallow findings.
                          If I were to choose between the Deus 2 and this AKA detector... I would probably choose the AKA because it shows more promise in the videos.
                          But although the sum is quite fair; it's still huge for me, so I'd still like to try it out in real life; before I decide to spend so much money.
                          According to some logic, I am "doomed" to buy Deus 2.
                          But so far I have not received a single valid proof and reason that would justify it.
                          I have a few distant friends who already have it and are not impressed.
                          Does it take time to master the settings? Or it is simply below expectations. I wouldn't know how to say.
                          This "AKA" is the first machine in the last ten years that catches my attention.
                          But I wouldn't go on adventures without a personal trial.
                          Or until I get an opinion from one of the people whose opinion I absolutely trust.
                          This is going to be an interesting year!



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ivconic View Post
                            AKA Smart Pulse - €1580
                            If in reality it is really that good; how good it is on videos: then the price is ok, acceptable.
                            "The devil took the joke off" the local sites. (local saying)
                            The situation is very harsh.
                            No more shallow findings.
                            If I were to choose between the Deus 2 and this AKA detector... I would probably choose the AKA because it shows more promise in the videos.
                            But although the sum is quite fair; it's still huge for me, so I'd still like to try it out in real life; before I decide to spend so much money.
                            According to some logic, I am "doomed" to buy Deus 2.
                            But so far I have not received a single valid proof and reason that would justify it.
                            I have a few distant friends who already have it and are not impressed.
                            Does it take time to master the settings? Or it is simply below expectations. I wouldn't know how to say.
                            This "AKA" is the first machine in the last ten years that catches my attention.
                            But I wouldn't go on adventures without a personal trial.
                            Or until I get an opinion from one of the people whose opinion I absolutely trust.
                            This is going to be an interesting year!


                            There are all kinds of things in the video, can you imagine finding yourself in places where there is a lot of waste? The big question is what will happen...First of all, I'm skeptical about adjusting the ground balance​!




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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ivconic View Post
                              It is bit confusing... is it Bulgarian, is it Russian, is it "AKA" or "MikronBg" ???

                              Finally i got some infos:

                              https://www.akadetectors.com/product...V9g0GxHXmrKoHg
                              It is here: https://metaldetecting.eu/hybrid

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