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    Fred and I went to an old plantation today and I can honestly say I've got a bad case of the puzzles.
    Fred hunted with the Manticore as usual and I took both the F75 with the 5" DD coil and the Equinox with the Coiltek 10x5. I started hunting with the F75 and within 30 minutes I had dug not one but two wheat pennies, a 1918 and a 1954. I was using the 5" coil, 3 tones, sens at 88, discrimination at 0. Both of these pennies gave a very good 4 way audio. Really couldn't believe it because both the Equinox and Manticore had hunted tirelessly in this area and I was sure it was hunted out. Well anyway, as a test I decided to bury a clad dime in the same area where one of the pennies was at. Nice area at 8" deep and compacted the dirt good and tried the F75 and no issues as long as the coil was directly over the dime, but.
    Neither the Manticore or Equinox would give a good enough audio to prompt us to dig. The ID on both detectors had been pulled down well over half of what a dime should indicate. Fred was doubting that a dime was there so we dug it up and then reburied it at 6.5" deep and still the F75 had no problem but both other detectors failed miserably. Spent a lot of time after this pondering the occurrence. I know what is going on but also understand the 5" coil is the ticket to successfully recover at this location. The ground at this site comes alive with low volume iron grunts. One more thing I would like to add is that turning up the sensitivity at this site degrades the audio to an extent almost nothing can be found.
    In addition to this, the coil needs to be scrubbing the ground. The only other site that exhibits the same type anomalies is one of the old schools where the waste, from coal burning furnaces has been discarded on the school grounds for decades. I will add, over 15 years ago I sent a bag of this coal waste to 1st Texas for them to analyze and the only suggesting they could give at the time was GB to the bag and hunt away.

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    Most places are never hunted out. You can easily miss a target until you sweep the coil in just the right direction. Also, the 50% overlap rule on deep targets is still not enough. In your particular case the 5" coil may have been the difference because of masking, you would have to compare with the larger F75 coil. In any case, the F75 is no slouch and can generally keep up with the Equinox until you hit salt water.

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    • #3
      Very true, that is the main reason I've kept it all these years.
      Love the F75 LTD.
      The F75 was my game changer when they first hit the market. This made me a "Fisher" fan for life.
      I was so wanting Fisher to release a multi-frequency detector "got word they were working on one" several years ago, waited and waited but finally bought the Equinox. Still no MF detector from 1st Texas. But I love experimenting so much and it is my hobby

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      • #4
        I was thinking of buying Manticore instead of Deus 2 this summer.
        Now that I read this... because I have the same problem in my fields.
        I definitely have no more dilemmas... any existing VLF I/B will not be a good solution.
        As Carl says; not a single field has been fully explored.
        Only "easy" targets were taken.
        Proof of that is that I have been visiting some fields for over 20 years and there is still something to be found on them.
        So... I definitely have to find a better solution. It logically follows that it is some good PI.
        But which one?​
        BTW... Fisher is Fisher.
        Was and remains.
        I don't know how much and if they followed the same line of development and design thinking in the newer series as they did
        in the DJ days, but in the DJ days Fisher machines were the most reliable.
        I had an F70. And only worked for a few hours with the F75.
        There wasn't enough time.

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        • #5
          For me is clear. Top of the line vlf detectors are same more or less. It’s all about go detecting, time spent in the field. If you insist you will find. And each site have different approach; small coil, big coil, iron, mineralization, settings, reactivity, sensitivity..
          when weather will be nice we will test Aka smart pulse. Let see what it can do..

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          • #6
            It is good to have at least 3-4 different large coils for the detector you are using... if you really want to detect the field well... I would say that only then can you make a judgment about what the given detector can do in the field... because as a large coil, as well as a small coil, can be limited on certain types of terrain... but it's also the other way around... a certain size of coil can be the best in a given terrain... where other larger coil sizes can't find anything anymore...


            Today's new, modern VLF detectors are comparable in performance in normal situations,,, the differences show up in difficult field conditions....

            This is an area that interests me very much...

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            • #7
              BTW... Fisher is Fisher.
              Was and remains.
              I don't know how much and if they followed the same line of development and design thinking in the newer series as they did
              in the DJ days, but in the DJ days Fisher machines were the most reliable.
              I had an F70. And only worked for a few hours with the F75.
              There wasn't enough time.​


              you want say First Texas. Fisher was sold, like (TM). no more Fisher, meant original. last REAL Fisher was 'blue with knobs' Fisher ID EDGE
              anyway, if Carl is working on FT so he sure approves your choice.


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              • #8
                At the present time I can only conceive in one solution for the coal waste fields and that would be a good "discriminating" or hybrid type PI. The TDI finds stuff and good stuff at that but it truly loves nails regardless of target settings or coil selection. Yes, a PI that can distinguish between nails and medium/high conductors, 2 tones. Then dig everything but iron. I was so hoping the Tarsacci would be what I was looking for but EMI made the machine unusable for the sites I intended to hunt.
                Perhaps the land version of the Impulse if it every happens.
                Regardless of what I'm using I still lean toward 1st Texas.
                Time is short

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                • #9
                  Went to the same site yesterday and I have an updated on some of the targets mention in the original post. Fred brought his Manticore and tried the single frequency options on the targets mentioned (I no longer have the Equinox so I couldn't try single frequency options). The Manticore could acquire a very good audio on any of the single frequency options (better on the lower than high frequencies). But switching to the multi frequency option and the target was gone. Spent quite a bit of time experimenting with the different frequencies, and I came to a conclusion there must be different algorithms used between the single and multi frequency options for the target to vanish.
                  We both hunted with new, recently acquired Deus II and the results were not only surprising but absolutely amazing. We found 2 V nickels, numerous pennies which included a 1919 and may relics not detected with either the Equinox or Manticore. One of the V nickels was a 1897, just amazing from only a 10x10' area. Fred bought is Deus with the 11 DD coil and my came with the 9" DD coil. At this site the Deus will be the ticket along with the F75 and the 5" coil for the super trash.
                  New journey has begun.

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