Fisher CZ6 & 1266

[ivconic]

Back on topic then... it would be interesting to investigate how many CZ series users there are today (if there are any at all)?
Of course, there is a general "craze" for new models. Equipment changes very quickly.
The good old days when a user only had one detector, learned to use it in detail and used it for 15-20 years; are long gone.
I've been watching these "new kids" for the past ten years... they change detectors like socks and are never satisfied.
What is worse; they never learn to use the detector fully.
It would also be interesting to investigate how many 1265/1266 models are "active" today?
This year, by spring, it will be 13 years since I have and use the Deus 1. The model I have been using for the longest time so far.
I've had a couple of wrecked 1265s and one 1266 as well as two wrecked CZ5s.
I will dedicate this year to nostalgia and going out on the field again with the 1266 and CZ6.
Whoever thinks this is funny today in the "digital" age... is wrong.
But I wrote a lot here.
It is fair that the others should be heard as well.
Or is the forum really down to 4-5 melancholic members?

[Qiaozhi]

I bought a non-working 1266 many years ago and brought it back to fully working condition. It was a good machine, but very heavy to use for long periods of time, and it liked to find deep ferrous targets. I resold it on eBay for a profit.

[EL NINO]

Back on topic then... it would be interesting to investigate how many CZ series users there are today (if there are any at all)?
Of course, there is a general "craze" for new models. Equipment changes very quickly.
The good old days when a user only had one detector, learned to use it in detail and used it for 15-20 years; are long gone.
I've been watching these "new kids" for the past ten years... they change detectors like socks and are never satisfied.
What is worse; they never learn to use the detector fully.
It would also be interesting to investigate how many 1265/1266 models are "active" today?
This year, by spring, it will be 13 years since I have and use the Deus 1. The model I have been using for the longest time so far.
I've had a couple of wrecked 1265s and one 1266 as well as two wrecked CZ5s.
I will dedicate this year to nostalgia and going out on the field again with the 1266 and CZ6.
Whoever thinks this is funny today in the "digital" age... is wrong.
But I wrote a lot here.
It is fair that the others should be heard as well.
Or is the forum really down to 4-5 melancholic members?

I really have enough detectors,, so I have the opportunity to detect but compare them in a certain type of detection situation,,but also a simulated comparison test...
Of course, with each of these detectors you can detect targets.., some modern detectors can detect, say, more targets from a technical point of view, and give more signals..,,but in the detection itself we have to take into account more factors that an ideal detector should meet, which are:
1..good target detection in the field.
2.good target detection in iron.
3. good, fast, deep and accurate numerical identification/VDI/ target in every detection situation..also graphic identification of the signal.
4. Good range of VDI numbers.. for excellent identification of low-conductivity, medium-conductivity and high-conductivity targets..
5. good and reliable target detection in every type of terrain..
6. well-designed audio., or mix mode., which allows you to quickly distinguish the relative depth but also the size of the target..
7.. quality of discrimination + good discrimination of deep iron..
8.. good detection of extra conductive targets and deposits..
9,, good, fast, and accurate identification of targets and unmasked targets in very thick iron..

Deus 1 never made a Waw effect on me,, because it had many shortcomings,, compared to other detectors that I use or have used..

I made the last 4 detections with deus 1. Fast program ... with the Hf ellipse at 74khz,,a3x before with ORX -program Fast on 9"hf round coil At 30khz and 54khz.. as a back check of the terrain detected by other detectors..and maybe it sounds paradoxical.. just in very strong iron Deus1 has a lot of shortcomings..

Now a list of my detectors: each of them has its good features.. but also minuses... :

[ivconic]

I bought a non-working 1266 many years ago and brought it back to fully working condition. It was a good machine, but very heavy to use for long periods of time, and it liked to find deep ferrous targets. I resold it on eBay for a profit.

Yes it is more "deep" on iron targets, this 1266x too.
That's good for me, half of the desired finds here are ancient and medieval arrows and spears.
"Heavy"!
George you should take a CZ to see how 1266 is "lightweight" actually!

Let me see... I think Garrett GTI2500 is also in heavyweight category too.
Not to mention all the ML's from SD, GP and GPX series.
But yes, you are right, those old machines are heavy comparing to modern ones.
XP Deus 1 with remote on is 890gr if I remember correctly.

[ivconic]

EL NINO it's an impressive collection!
It's a pity that we don't have the opportunity to see and try Rutus detectors here.
I still have an AKA Signum, very rare in these parts, quite an impressive behavior detector.
The owner is on his way and hasn't come to pick it up yet.
As for Deus 1, I'm pretty happy with it. But you are right about the deep and bigger iron.
I saw the best behavior with the Deus 1 with a white HF 22.5cm coil and at 14kHz.
On very heavily mineralized Byzantine terrain.

[moodz]

How deep will the deus 1 go om mineralised soil?

[ivconic]

Not sure if the question is for me or EL NINO. But I will tell you my experiences.
Deus 1 is not impressively deep on medium soils, not to mention heavily mineralized.
Actually I have to correct myself, I'm talking about a 22.5cm coil here.
Coil 34x28 is a completely different story.
But such a large coil is not for the highly mineralized soils that I have here in my area.
Over the years, on many topics, I have often repeated my personal preferences and the specific type of soils that I visit.
These are mostly steep hills with lots of small vegetation, lots of stones, pieces of pottery and too much mineralization.
But Paul, it's not the same type of mineralization as in Australia.
I was watching on one of those channels (I'll be wrong if I say it's Discovery or National Geographic or similar channel) a very interesting series about Australian native gold prospectors.
Australian soil has very fine particles, such as flour, ferrous materials, and the soil is noticeably dark red.
And on my grounds, it is about late Roman and Byzantine fortifications on the tops of sharp hills.
The "mineralization" that I often mention is a consequence of the violent destruction, burning and demolition of those fortifications.
Between the layers of such material, it is not uncommon to find a layer of molten slag.
In peacetime, there were forges and metal foundries in those fortifications, I assume primarily for the manufacture of weapons and less often for minting money.
Waste material from metal smelting was simply spilled down the hill by the masters of the time.
After many centuries, vegetation broke through these layers and subsequently piles of small stones covered these surfaces.
At very shallow depths, often not below 10 cm, there are sometimes very valuable finds, first of all very valuable coins.
And that is the main reason why I am not overly interested in the "depth" of detectors, but also why I mostly prefer small coils.
Although the depths are very small... those layers are literally "impenetrable" for metal detectors.
XP Deus is quite good in such conditions. Not so good with the black 22.5cm coil but very good with the white HF 22.5cm coil.
So it's hard for me to talk about "depths" now because I've never had reason to examine extreme ranges.
Since last summer I have also had a Vanquish 340 which proved to be very good in the conditions mentioned.
But Vanquish also often has a problem with cast iron pieces.
In general, in my experience, there are two huge and insurmountable problems with virtually all metal detectors I've owned so far: aluminum pieces and cast iron pieces.

[Aziz]

Btw, the cocaine clown said "suka" to Vance.
Suka means "b1tch".
This is the end of cocaine!

[ivconic]

Aziz; why spend money on cocaine when Vodka is cheaper?


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Summary of previous post;
there is no detector in the world that can successfully separate pieces of bent aluminum from a series of good finds such as bronze antique coins.
A distinction should be made between "Aluminium" in our jargon, which mainly refers to thin aluminum kitchen foil, and "Aluminum" rubbish, which is most often found in nature, on arable land, etc.
Aluminum garbage is mostly made of a piece of thicker aluminum or a thinner piece folded several times and similar.
Older toothpaste tubes, various bottle caps, jar caps, similar pieces.
These are insurmountable obstacles for literally ALL detectors.
This is both an appeal and a challenge to all manufacturers of metal detectors who keep to themselves and think that they have advanced far with knowledge and technology.
The first one to make a metal detector that will clearly distinguish between such aluminum garbage and ancient coins in the soil; he will write a new page of history and probably get very rich.
Another problem to be solved is the discrimination of thicker (doesn't necessarily mean "big") pieces of iron.
The point is that the detector simultaneously discriminates unwanted targets and successfully and clearly detects desired targets.
Such a detector STILL DOESN'T EXIST.

[EL NINO]

How deep will the deus 1 go om mineralised soil?

What kind of terrain should it be? Magnetite, Maghemite, or Hematite?
,,The next question is..how big targets do you want to search for?
In my experience, Deus1/ORX can handle mineralization quite well, but only on the Gold program with the IAR disk at 3-4.max.. but at a certain depth, expect a less accurate VDI,, or no VDI at all... Deus 1 in regular discrimination programs may not handle it so well..
Of course, you need to adjust the frequency and reactivity to a certain mineralization of the terrain.. high frequency can be more reactive to magnetite and maghemite..

Here it must be said that the new Multifrequency detectors have already proven a lot.. that's why Ivconic's Vanquish 340 can work quite well here,,

Since I detect on stone basalt roads, and terrains sufficiently covered with ceramics /maghemite/... the topic of mineralization is very close to me.. and that's why I do a sufficient number of tests and simulations on such materials.. as well as on hematite and magnetite....but also on minerals like iron stone, green basalt, and other mineralized rocks...which are challenging for many detectors.

test 15.5 mm nickel coin under 10cm ceramic.. box "

ORX -program Coin Fast :

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I4HcItHi5j8

ORX - program Gold whit disc IAR:

https://youtu.be/zQvaBw5xV8M

[ivconic]

For the last year or so, I've been working mostly in the Gold program on my Deus 1, IAR is on 1 or 2.
Sometimes ancient bronze coins are covered with a layer of calcite, oxide, and some strange combination of chemistry that settles and accumulates in plowed fields, where farmers spread manure months before plowing.
Such a layer spoils the response of the coin and is often mistaken for iron by the detector.
Or, at best, the response is half-hearted.
I have noticed that when the IAR is at 3 or 4; Deus indicates often as iron.
Often during the day I adjust the IAR from 1 to 2 and vice versa.
As you said EL NINO; it all depends on current conditions and intentions.
There are too many "variables" in that equation.

[Aziz]

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The point is that the detector simultaneously discriminates unwanted targets and successfully and clearly detects desired targets.
Such a detector STILL DOESN'T EXIST.

Yep. And will never. It isn't physically possible.
Aziz

[ivconic]

That's right, unfortunately I think that's true. And now we are slowly closing the circle.
I think with the CZ series that circle has long been closed.
All that was done after that was just reducing the dimensions and adding some non-vital functions and options, thanks to the convenience brought by the dizzying development of technology as well as the cheapening of those technologies.
...
The only truly "revolutionary" thing that happened after that was the appearance of the Deus detector, not because of any special features, but because of the wireless connection with the coil. This has brought many benefits.
In 2012, I started the topic "There is ..." (can't remember the title) on which I wrote about all kinds of things, but the essence is this. The circle is closed.

[N@SKO]

Hi Ivconic,can you make picture on CZ6 Tx waveform?

[ivconic]

Of course, but not immediately. I'm unable to at the moment, but I'll try these days.