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  • Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    ""I finish my TGS in this week.
    I used LM308 metalic, LF 442, LM 353, 2N2222, 2N2907, BF245C, nulling coils is OK(with scope), discrimination, notch filter, audio, ALL OK. Coil is 28 cm DD.


    1 Euro detection at 36 cm in air
    Small gold ring at 30 cm in air.


    Very good detector, but the problem is when I swing the coil or the cable, a lot of sounds appear on speaker in ALL METAL mode and a few less in DISCRIMINATION mode.
    Is impossible to use my detector in this conditions.
    What happened here?
    I need help,


    Thanks

    DIRCEU

    Brazil SA.""


    I have same problem like DIRCEU. What is mistake?
    Hi,
    mistake ? What's mistake ?

    What about your pole and e.g. wingnut screw at coil ? Are they very strong and with few flex at every swing ?

    If not: your false signals are due to bad choice for pole, wingnut etc etc so it's a MECHANICAL PROBLEM; use strong stuff to fix, avoid putting too much metal near coil better if you use all plastic/naylon fittings etc

    If problem isn't related to swing but to behaviour of detector over soil , so "swinging over soil" that must be related to bad GEB tuning or bad soil (very hi-mineralized or trashy place... where there are e.g. lot of foil fragments and the like). It happens that you hear lot of noise in all-metal in places where there was e.g. an iron fence then all rusty and broken into small fragments on soil... thus mixed with soil: this is a worse situation and your detector will react to iron "spots" on soil in all-metal, then also in disc mode... cause sometimes iron-wires are zinc plated... and zinc will contaminate soil for indefinite time (forever ) and will be detected in disc mode ! TGS is very hi sensitive machine so you haven't worry about that... use disc to partially cancel its effect when you notice it.
    This problem is kinda of CHEMICAL PROBLEM.

    If you wanna be sure of cause between the two... try swing coil at 30cm+ from soil: if problem disappears then you are about sure that you have bad GEB or that soil has contamination/trash inside.

    To fix GEB you have to tune GEB pot on soil... find a position where problem disappear or is hi-reduced: if it's impossible finding that position you soil is surely trashy so you cannot do anything but play with disc to avoid part of false signals.

    TGS is not a trashy-soil-battleship like others kind of detectors: you can use on trashy sites but there are drawbacks ; it likes clean medium mineralized soil. Your large coil will pick up too much signal from false targets: if your sites are trashy build a 5'' coil and you will search with more fun there. Use the large coil on clean soils.

    Last but not least: electromechanical fittings could be a problem -> ELECTROMECHANICAL PROBLEM. Fix everything very well, if use metal case connect case to GND, connect blocking ring of connector and its metal body to gnd too of coil, wires inside control box must be fixed too somehow, fix coil cable to pole with tight binds.
    Any swing of connector or wire or everything will develop noise in the circuit.

    Be unflexible, and you'll gain rock solid performances.

    Kind regards,
    Max

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    • Yup! Max already explained all.

      I will only repeat this; PAY ATTENTION ON CABLE TO COIL WIREMENTS, CABLE QUALITY AND F.CAGE APPLICATION...CRUCIAL!
      I do not have falses at all. As many times posted i really can swing cable,hit coil, shake it, shake cable.....no false sounds at all. Calm and stabille as rock!
      Dont be lazy, just go and read this thread carefully from the first page. Read every post...
      Regards!

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      • Thanks Max and Ivconic. I try to make another coil and post result.

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        • http://www.myfilestash.com/userfiles...5/DSC01201.JPG

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          • http://www.myfilestash.com/userfiles...5/DSC01203.JPG

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            • Hey! I think you have problem with cable (as i thought).
              I dont see cleary those connections, but already using 2 separate cables need extra precaution in way how to connect those. You dont need to make another coil, just change the cable completelly! Use one cable we explained earlier here....
              regards!

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              • " Hey! I think you have problem with cable (as i thought).
                I dont see cleary those connections, but already using 2 separate cables need extra precaution in way how to connect those. You dont need to make another coil, just change the cable completelly! Use one cable we explained earlier here....
                regards! "

                Hey Ivconic I think coil picture is not correct. Or my picture is not correct.

                http://www.myfilestash.com/userfiles/ivansu35/coil1.jpg
                http://www.myfilestash.com/userfiles/ivansu35/coil2.jpg

                What u think.

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                • TGS

                  Thanks IVCONIC and MAX


                  Finally my problen is solved. My battery pack give me 14.8 V instead 12V.
                  When the battery discharge... between 12.4V and 7.47V , all work perfectly.
                  I have a mechanical problems too.

                  Sorry my english and my stupidity. I am a begginer.

                  Regards,

                  DIRCEU
                  Brazil SA.

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                  • Originally posted by ivconic View Post
                    "Bars" on the river called "splav"...? You been there!? I am affraid to go there....too many nasty girls arround! If only my wife knows...!?
                    Yes but my wife was to Greece

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                    • Originally posted by Geo View Post
                      Yes but my wife was to Greece
                      Luck for you is that your wife is not member of this forum...also!

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                      • Originally posted by ivconic View Post
                        Luck for you is that your wife is not member of this forum...also!
                        And she don't speak English

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                        • Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Thanks IVCONIC and MAX


                          Finally my problen is solved. My battery pack give me 14.8 V instead 12V.
                          When the battery discharge... between 12.4V and 7.47V , all work perfectly.
                          I have a mechanical problems too.

                          Sorry my english and my stupidity. I am a begginer.

                          Regards,

                          DIRCEU
                          Brazil SA.

                          To tell you the truth; i do not understand this!?

                          My battery is labeled as 12v/1.3Ah but always showing 13.7v...and device is working perfect.
                          In my latest 3 TGSL handmades i put 4x3.6v (Nokia) batteries, which gave 14.4 when calculating, but in practice always giving 15.xx volts...and those are working perfect also...
                          I think your problem is not related to voltage but something else...? But what?
                          Did you put 7808 regulator there? Is it in good shape? Check those 220uF capacitors. Are they leaking a bit?
                          Check that all again...something is "misty" there....

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                          • "...I think your problem is not related to voltage but something else...? "

                            Just look what i posted????

                            Yes i think your problem is related to voltage there! But you confused its behavior.....Check all over again. It must work with 14V perfect...

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                            • ".....between 12.4V and 7.47V...."

                              What are you saying here????

                              No matter if charged or fully discharged, 12v battery must show always 12 Volts!
                              If 12v battery showing less than nominal voltage that it is damaged and unuseable totally! Even if it is showing 11 volts - it is damaged...toss it through some window and put brand new one...
                              For example; my 12v/1.2Ah when fully charged is showing 13.8v...when fully discharged is showing 12.8 volts...obviously it is in good shape and useable.

                              Check your battery again. Check it disconnected from device and later check it connected to device. First device switched OFF than switch it ON during measuring...Than you can see eventual voltage drop. If it is droping bellow nominal voltage.....it is damaged....conclusion; toss it!
                              Regards!

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                              • Has or not contact to the negative battery pole clamp in RX coil?
                                According the schematics, in TGS Light - Not?, but in TGS - Yes?
                                What is true?
                                I readed contradictory opinions
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