TESORO GOLDEN SABRE

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79L05?

hELLO kt315

12V connection and regulator may be good idea, but I think is a mistake to use 10k instead of 4.7k in R5, R6 because power-up is much slower, also, under heavy load - may not reach high peak voltage.

Use Fairchild KA79L08 (or equivalent) regulator instead of 79L05. Also, schottky diodes are more efficient than 1N4148.

KA79L05 can use 6ma by itself, so a low power LDO would be better. Know of any -8V LDO?

Can use 1N5817 to get -7V with 8V connection, but no regulation.

[sky76]

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Hello friends,Can I use this coil for tesoro.
Did you use this coil.Could yuo help me please.Regards.
http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/Projects/Bandido-Split/Working-Proto-Type.jpg

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ru_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fcali gula-x.narod.ru%2fskip.htm

[sky76]

coil

Thanks.

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TGS

Thank you MAX for your attention.

Regards,


DIRCEU

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TGS

Thank you MAX for your attention.

Regards,




DIRCEU

[Max]

Hello friends,Can I use this coil for tesoro.
Did you use this coil.Could yuo help me please.Regards.
http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/Projects/Bandido-Split/Working-Proto-Type.jpg

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel....ru%2fskip.htm

Hi,
you can use it with every uMax model by Tesoro: it's a Gary's prototype for coplanar concentric coil we talked about some months ago.

You can find in some older Bandido thread the Mike's file with instructions about wire you need and number of turns.

Rough data are (about... as I remember from Mike's stuff)
outer former diameter = 20cm
inner former diameter = 12cm
tx turns = 105+-5turns
rx turns = 145+-5turns
rx buking coil (wound counterwise rx) = 25+-2 turns
wire was 30awg

tx inductance is about 5.75mH
rx inductance is from 5.95 to 6.2mH

Kind regards,
Max

[tiktak]

Hi,

Hi,
Max.
How are you?
I took this iron piece with me at home and sometimes I cant detect it at all,but sometimes I cant discriminate it at all./i think that its part of horse shoe..............which I found that are inposible to be discriminated so far.................../
When I were on field the sens were average,but at home I cant get more than 25cm!!!!
So now when I test at home cant see am I achiving any progress.
Whats the story with Ivconic?And can we help him anyway?
For this hugh coil I am agree that there will be some ground efects,but my frend is digging coins!And I havent detect any................Only trash.......
So you see why I am a little bit dissapointed I were shore that I will beat him when I finish TGS.
I now that I have to make 2-3 devices,before can talk like this but.........
But dont missunderstood my words.You can't miss to notice that TGS have excelent behaviour/profesional machine/.
I cant understand why there is no probleme with Al foil for example cigarete boxes,disc is aweys perfect.But when we talk about IRON..........................I can disc many IRON ithems,but can't see this noticable diferance in audio for iron.There should be break in sound,but I can't see such in my device.

See you soon

p.s.this were my first field test with the device,but I were not able to try everithing that I wanned to.

[Max]

Hi,
Max.
How are you?
I took this iron piece with me at home and sometimes I cant detect it at all,but sometimes I cant discriminate it at all./i think that its part of horse shoe..............which I found that are inposible to be discriminated so far.................../
When I were on field the sens were average,but at home I cant get more than 25cm!!!!
So now when I test at home cant see am I achiving any progress.
Whats the story with Ivconic?And can we help him anyway?
For this hugh coil I am agree that there will be some ground efects,but my frend is digging coins!And I havent detect any................Only trash.......
So you see why I am a little bit dissapointed I were shore that I will beat him when I finish TGS.
I now that I have to make 2-3 devices,before can talk like this but.........
But dont missunderstood my words.You can't miss to notice that TGS have excelent behaviour/profesional machine/.
I cant understand why there is no probleme with Al foil for example cigarete boxes,disc is aweys perfect.But when we talk about IRON..........................I can disc many IRON ithems,but can't see this noticable diferance in audio for iron.There should be break in sound,but I can't see such in my device.

See you soon

p.s.this were my first field test with the device,but I were not able to try everithing that I wanned to.

Hi,
I'm fine, thanks and you ? I think we can send our friend Ivconic best wishes as many already have done here.

About TGS things: you have iron-like stuff detection from 25cms ? wow ! I haven't on mine detector... I can disc out even big hammer of 500gr at few cm from search head.

I'm not sure about your problem but think there could be 2 causes:
- bad coil nulling that means it's easy picking up signal from a big mass even with disc on cause of easy overload
- something bad value in disc section or some mistake in circuit

I assume that 2 causes because I'm guessing your horse shoe is made of just iron: have you checked with different and large surely all iron stuff ?

I ask you cause steel alloys are much more easy to be detected cause they give different phase angles from pure iron; also plated things are detected e.g. zinc plated iron stuff ... you actually detect zinc layer instead of iron inside.

Make some test and figure out if horse shoe is a singular case or if with much other pure iron stuff it's all the same.

If you notice that horse shoe sound much easy and far away respect other stuff... there's maybe something that make detector sound more easy than with pure iron.

You must reach a tune of detector that null iron about totally but with just weak signal very near coil (e.g. at 1cm from bottom for an hammer head).

What to say... I also have craking sound with iron stuff... very often (not always) I can distinguish between them and real good targets.

That make me think you could have problems with disc section.

Let me know.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi,
Max.
How are you?
I took this iron piece with me at home and sometimes I cant detect it at all,but sometimes I cant discriminate it at all./i think that its part of horse shoe..............which I found that are inposible to be discriminated so far.................../
When I were on field the sens were average,but at home I cant get more than 25cm!!!!
So now when I test at home cant see am I achiving any progress.
Whats the story with Ivconic?And can we help him anyway?
For this hugh coil I am agree that there will be some ground efects,but my frend is digging coins!And I havent detect any................Only trash.......
So you see why I am a little bit dissapointed I were shore that I will beat him when I finish TGS.
I now that I have to make 2-3 devices,before can talk like this but.........
But dont missunderstood my words.You can't miss to notice that TGS have excelent behaviour/profesional machine/.
I cant understand why there is no probleme with Al foil for example cigarete boxes,disc is aweys perfect.But when we talk about IRON..........................I can disc many IRON ithems,but can't see this noticable diferance in audio for iron.There should be break in sound,but I can't see such in my device.

See you soon

p.s.this were my first field test with the device,but I were not able to try everithing that I wanned to.

Hi,
I'm fine, thanks and you ? I think we can send our friend Ivconic best wishes as many already have done here.

About TGS things: you have iron-like stuff detection from 25cms ? wow ! I haven't on mine detector... I can disc out even big hammer of 500gr at few cm from search head.

I'm not sure about your problem but think there could be 2 causes:
- bad coil nulling that means it's easy picking up signal from a big mass even with disc on cause of easy overload
- something bad value in disc section or some mistake in circuit

I assume that 2 causes because I'm guessing your horse shoe is made of just iron: have you checked with different and large surely all iron stuff ?

I ask you cause steel alloys are much more easy to be detected cause they give different phase angles from pure iron; also plated things are detected e.g. zinc plated iron stuff ... you actually detect zinc layer instead of iron inside.

Make some test and figure out if horse shoe is a singular case or if with much other pure iron stuff it's all the same.

If you notice that horse shoe sound much easy and far away respect other stuff... there's maybe something that make detector sound more easy than with pure iron.

You must reach a tune of detector that null iron about totally but with just weak signal very near coil (e.g. at 1cm from bottom for an hammer head).

What to say... I also have craking sound with iron stuff... very often (not always) I can distinguish between them and real good targets.

That make me think you could have problems with disc section.

Let me know.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi,
Max.
How are you?
I took this iron piece with me at home and sometimes I cant detect it at all,but sometimes I cant discriminate it at all./i think that its part of horse shoe..............which I found that are inposible to be discriminated so far.................../
When I were on field the sens were average,but at home I cant get more than 25cm!!!!
So now when I test at home cant see am I achiving any progress.
Whats the story with Ivconic?And can we help him anyway?
For this hugh coil I am agree that there will be some ground efects,but my frend is digging coins!And I havent detect any................Only trash.......
So you see why I am a little bit dissapointed I were shore that I will beat him when I finish TGS.
I now that I have to make 2-3 devices,before can talk like this but.........
But dont missunderstood my words.You can't miss to notice that TGS have excelent behaviour/profesional machine/.
I cant understand why there is no probleme with Al foil for example cigarete boxes,disc is aweys perfect.But when we talk about IRON..........................I can disc many IRON ithems,but can't see this noticable diferance in audio for iron.There should be break in sound,but I can't see such in my device.

See you soon

p.s.this were my first field test with the device,but I were not able to try everithing that I wanned to.

Ops forum reposted my lost message !?
Sometimes I cannot see my message posted here... but then after few minutes they reappears ??? Strange things today !

Kind regards,
Max

[kt315]

more click time to time F5 (refresh) and you will note your messages

[Max]

more click time to time F5 (refresh) and you will note your messages

Hi,
yes I know... F5 like in Excel ... but I've pressed "update" on my browser... for 3 times and got 3 times page without my message... then after some minutes it appeared like a ghost and posted 2 times.

I think that maybe happens when e.g. server gets too many requests at a time and then something happens to the thread relative to elaboration of content.

Anyway... I think it's server problem not mine ... I get also connection errors from time to time at submit... then posted stuff appears... maybe some storage along routers makes this thing happens with this forum... you have to consider I'm posting from Mars !

Kind regards,
Max

[tiktak]

Hi

Hi,
Max.
I made another fast test yesterday,..........but......
Not happy!
I have finished another DD 27
When check it again it shows 0.178 mA./from pin 7 LF353/
Could this be the reason?
How much should be the reading?
I think that I could not reach 0.000 right>?
I think that detector should discriminate this horse shoes afther all.
I can discriminate hammer too,but this horseshoe.....................NO
The problem is that on second field test I detect and one other medium piece of iron,and other horse shoe/half/.
Anyway thanks.
I will make coils now because cant go detecting.Bed wether.
See you soon

[Max]

Hi,
Max.
I made another fast test yesterday,..........but......
Not happy!
I have finished another DD 27
When check it again it shows 0.178 mA./from pin 7 LF353/
Could this be the reason?
How much should be the reading?
I think that I could not reach 0.000 right>?
I think that detector should discriminate this horse shoes afther all.
I can discriminate hammer too,but this horseshoe.....................NO
The problem is that on second field test I detect and one other medium piece of iron,and other horse shoe/half/.
Anyway thanks.
I will make coils now because cant go detecting.Bed wether.
See you soon

Hi,
If you can disc out iron stuff like hammers it's really probable that your horse shoe is made of steel... that's completely different story about detecting. Steel is really hard to ignore by MD also using disc cause the of the internal structure that has lower conductivity and also crystals made by carbonium inside the steel matrix.

It's impossible to avoid during search on the field if it is there... you can just hope there aren't many and you haven't dig them all.

I've detection of some steel with TGS too... but to me is not a big issue cause it's just about great stuff not small particles. On TGS I , for instance, cannot detect a small steel scew but large nails yes... and horse shoes too.

All is due to phase shift of steel kinds that are different from pure iron angle.

So I can disc out totally hammers (iron) but not large steel nails !
I of course can detect steel hammers with TGS... but don't care too much about. I'm interested in iron canceling and even if some steel is detected I don't care too much... some of my places are enough clean from steel but have lots of iron stuff and rusty traces of it.

If you problem is just with steel ... my advice is keep detector as is... no other mods required. You cannot find any real , even bought, detector that's totally immune to steel... even if there are lot of them advertised. That's my experience.

Kind regards,
Max

[tiktak]

Hi,

Hi,
Max.
I have made anther 2 tests with TGS and on first I detect in old house backyard.I were totaly shore that I wont find anything preasus.And so happen.
But I were amaised buy the behaviour of my TGS.No such noise and falses as on first test.But the terains were totaly different.On this I were surprised that I can detect event trough 4 cm snow!~!!!Very good.Stabile,easy to pinpoint.I found some large steel and other stuffs.Al caps were very nasty.
I were able to disc the rusty nails that were in the ground.So You are right again!My TGS were good,but I were shore that this horseshoe is from Iron,but its look like they are made from aloy.

I just return from tird test I were on one NEW for ME hill fortress.There were how to how............
The terain were extremly wet!I have many falses!On some places the TGS were like machine gun,on some were only noisy,but I could not get any target at all,only oe hotrock that were on the surfice.

I read your tread for wet soils.
So you think that I get the pottery?And hotrocks.Can I ignore those?
I notice that when I reduce sensitvity I get a little bit more stabile preformance ,BUT i think that with such many noises NO one can detect!
What you will advice me.
I here this lokation from one kid with old IB.And he told me that he have digg some coins from there.I saw too small roman coins from this fortress.
But today I came home again with bare hands!!!!

Ivconic 250 coins for 5-6 hous / Me 0 coins for 2 hours AGAIN

I sufer from less depth compared with you Ivconic and others.Shell I try change the values of capacitator near RX?Or?Because its look like I null coils not good,average but workable
Thanks