Big Detektor Test in Belgium

[Carson]

A private Test Track in Belgium by a privat Detector Club (no dealer background!!).
The Land is riddled with iron (old Roman ground).
The test objekts are since 2 years to bury deeply in the Test Track.

Test Deep and Test Size are in cm not in zoll (1 zoll = 2,54 cm)
Test Weight are in gramm ( 1 grain = 0,0648 gramm; 1 ounce = 28,35 gramm)


Here the Test Results: (to be continued..)


































here the Link:
http://www.m-b-l.nl/mijnforum/viewtopic.php?t=443

[GTK]

Wow very nice work there! Ill be exploring the tables next days

[Max]

A private Test Track in Belgium by a privat Detector Club (no dealer background!!).
The Land is riddled with iron (old Roman ground).
The test objekts are since 2 years to bury deeply in the Test Track.

Test Deep and Test Size are in cm not in zoll (1 zoll = 2,54 cm)
Test Weight are in gramm ( 1 grain = 0,0648 gramm; 1 ounce = 28,35 gramm)


Here the Test Results: (to be continued..)


































here the Link:
http://www.m-b-l.nl/mijnforum/viewtopic.php?t=443

Hi,
it's very good work. Really useful to compare stuff between models, different coils with expected depths.
Great.

Best regards,
Max

[bakergeol]

I have been looking at the charts. Loodje is an old coin(lead)? What is Muntschat?


The size in cm does not make sense. What is the size in? depth in cm?


George

[nakky]

musketkogel=musketball zilverenring=silverring blok brons=block bronze vingerhoed=thimble bronzen ring=bronzering bronzen orna=bronze ornament loodje=lead slice/disk no coin loden bol=lead ball muntschat=hoard of romaincoins

[diminute]

UNITS USED ????

For

weight, size and depht

Thank

diminute

[WesP]

Units Used

For

weight, size and depht

Thank

diminute

The top of the original message gives the info.
Looks like Grams for weight
Centimeters for size and depth
A zoll is an INCH and 2.54 Cm = 1 inch
I'm assuming that the V inidcates a detection and the X no detection.
Some of the sizes don't make much sense. The silver ring says 20 Cm size which would make it about 8 inches? If they mean 2.0 it would be about .8 inches.

[Geo]

Very good test . Lets see some results:
Minelab Explorer II are "in general words" perfect
XP, RedHeat, Fisher F-75 ... perfect
Garrett ace250, Gtax 550 and Gti 1500 are very Bad
Fisher CZ-5, CZ-7aPro, 1236 x2 and 1280 are Very Bad
Classic III is Very Bad
Whites IDX is something between good and bad
Troy X5 maybe a good detector (yes as Ivconic said it is a toy)
BandidoII umax it is Good
Tessoro Eldorado is Very good
Ivica here it is he..he.. Try it ...maybe the best

So .....DFX...nothing , CZ...nothing , Garrett____ nothing ...Tesoro a lot of models....nothing
Eldorado is the best because it is very simple with very good results

[Max]

Very good test . Lets see some results:
Minelab Explorer II are "in general words" perfect
XP, RedHeat, Fisher F-75 ... perfect
Garrett ace250, Gtax 550 and Gti 1500 are very Bad
Fisher CZ-5, CZ-7aPro, 1236 x2 and 1280 are Very Bad
Classic III is Very Bad
Whites IDX is something between good and bad
Troy X5 maybe a good detector (yes as Ivconic said it is a toy)
BandidoII umax it is Good
Tessoro Eldorado is Very good
Ivica here it is he..he.. Try it ...maybe the best

So .....DFX...nothing , CZ...nothing , Garrett____ nothing ...Tesoro a lot of models....nothing
Eldorado is the best because it is very simple with very good results

Hi Geo,
yes I see...some detectors seems not working really well basing on that data.
I agree with you on that. Bandido seems in the middle but have lacks.
Do you think eledorado is the best of Tesoro's in performances ?
What about the schematic of it...anyone has to post here ?

I'm curious about geb and disc ...and also middle section...maybe there are significative differences.

PS : test were made on eldorado using DD coil not concentric...I think this could affect a lot detection on small objects instead of using concentric too like with bandido (where they used concentric-spider 9x8'')

Best regards,
Max

[bakergeol]

There has been some discussion about this test on the Metal Equipment forum regarding the F75 and T2 tests.

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalD...176411417.html

As seen in the thread the complaint was the testers were not using the best settings for these detectors.

This post does indeed raise some issues about user experience as a factor in the test results. I would think that posting of the exact settings for all the detectors would be helpfull in evaluating the tests.

In this case the tester I believe is going back to retest the F75 and T2 based on the knowledge of more experience users. Perhaps some feedback from other users in the future could be applied to other brands.

Still no new information on what type of measurements particularly for size are used( data does not make sense if only cm for size).

George

[Ronald]

Hi all,

there was a reason to test the F75 without using the best settings:

1. we had no manual.
2. we want to see, if the F75 did a better job then the T2, why ??? because the Dutch importer of the T2 claimed that his detector was the best detector ever build and the deepst seeking detector ever build, before it was availeble on the Dutch market.

So with these standard settings we out performed the T2, atfer having the manual we went back to the testgarden and the F75 took all the items.

We started with the tests, so that people could get a first impression how deep some detectors will work, and we also know that having a detector for several months and to become one with your machine is always better.
But some retailers say "deepest seeking machine" and that is simply not truth, therefore i want to help espacially newcommers in our hobby so they do not need to spend a lot of money for a detector that is not doing what some retailers claim.

[Max]

There has been some discussion about this test on the Metal Equipment forum regarding the F75 and T2 tests.

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalD...176411417.html

As seen in the thread the complaint was the testers were not using the best settings for these detectors.

This post does indeed raise some issues about user experience as a factor in the test results. I would think that posting of the exact settings for all the detectors would be helpfull in evaluating the tests.

In this case the tester I believe is going back to retest the F75 and T2 based on the knowledge of more experience users. Perhaps some feedback from other users in the future could be applied to other brands.

Still no new information on what type of measurements particularly for size are used( data does not make sense if only cm for size).

George

Hi George,
I agree. Some tests are unbelivable...e.g. no garret passed the test...incredible...anyway accurancy on some seems good e.g. on tesoro's and minelab's etc. Also coils is another factor. Then about dimensions I think they talk about millimeters not cm, can't be cm for rings etc.

Best regards,
Max

[GTK]

I got a question: which detector is more preferable - depth, easy operation, stability, discrimination: Sovereign GT or GMaxx-II. The first is as we know a multyfreq. detector and the other works at 4.6Khz. Both show similar results on the field, both have almost same price. If you had to choose 1 between them, which would it be and why?

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
yes I see...some detectors seems not working really well basing on that data.
I agree with you on that. Bandido seems in the middle but have lacks.
Do you think eledorado is the best of Tesoro's in performances ?
What about the schematic of it...anyone has to post here ?

Best regards,
Max

Hi Max.
Yes i believe that Eldorado is a bit better than Bandido. I don't remember now but i have read this at a test.
Take the schematic
Regards

[Max]

Hi Max.
Yes i believe that Eldorado is a bit better than Bandido. I don't remember now but i have read this at a test.
Take the schematic
Regards

Hi Geo,
thanks for the schematic of eldorado. I'll take a deep lock at geb and disc to figure out differences.
At now I'm testing DD 22cm coil on ground and seems I get good results with bandido I've made. Got 1 eur-cent at 20cm in ground...seems good !
Maybe eldorado has a bit more depth tha bandido with same coils and objects cause I've noted that bandido circuitry have little drawbacks near IC8 due to partial asymmetry of output levels of comparators...at the moment is just an idea...need to study better the problem.
Anyway, tesoro's seems good general purpose and we can test them cause uMax models don't require any programmed device.
Till awaiting for 9x8 coil...to arrive.

I'm looking for some coil housing... do you know if there are some dealers that sells small open-center or dd housings ???


Best regards,
Max