Red Heat XD 17

[nelson]

Hi, does anyone know anything about this detector that some people said goes very deep?

Here you can see a test video of this machine.
Lets talk about ...

http://www.detektoreninfo.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4686

and here is more information

http://detectorsource.tripod.com/RedHeat.html

Regads

Nelson

[nelson]

And here is a picture of it

Nelson

Hi, does anyone know anything about this detector that some people said goes very deep?

Here you can see a test video of this machine.
Lets talk about ...

http://www.detektoreninfo.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4686

and here is more information

http://detectorsource.tripod.com/RedHeat.html

Regads

Nelson

[Qiaozhi]

There's a field test here for a Red Heat machine (an older model) plus tests of other several detectors -> http://www.treasurehunting.co.uk/field_tests.html

Not sure where in England these are manufactured, but Gary might know ->
http://www.garysdetecting.co.uk/whats_new.htm
On the What's New page, Gary says "Red heat have a new metal detector called the XD 17 , believed to be very deep and sensitive, good luck Vic I am sure it will be a winner !"

[Sean_Goddard]

They are built by Vic Fiveash in London.

Vic's genius puts Bruce Candy of Minelab to shame. IMHO He's probably the best detector design engineer (self taught like we here are) in the world today.

Se what we could achieve if we REALLY tried? I used his old Lightning IV machine once and it saw through the mineralisation on the site I was testing it on better than an Explorer. Was at a rally, the Explorers were only getting 4" max due to the evil ground there, the Lightning was getting easily 8"+ ..WOW

[nelson]

Hey, thanks for such good information. I wich i can get the schematic on the future. The detector seems to be very simple and analog kind.
Thanks and best regards my friends
Nelson

They are built by Vic Fiveash in London.

Vic's genius puts Bruce Candy of Minelab to shame. IMHO He's probably the best detector design engineer (self taught like we here are) in the world today.

Se what we could achieve if we REALLY tried? I used his old Lightning IV machine once and it saw through the mineralisation on the site I was testing it on better than an Explorer. Was at a rally, the Explorers were only getting 4" max due to the evil ground there, the Lightning was getting easily 8"+ ..WOW

[Unregistered]

Demonstration

To me this video demonstrates what a complete load of bollocks
iron see through is.

[Sean_Goddard]

OK it's better than minelabs non existant iron see though capacity and I could reel off the physical reasons WHY their "technology" won't or rather can't ever do this.

But tell me, and the others on this forum just why you think the way you do? Surely a machine which can do that is worth a look-see?

Back up the statement with fact, it's what we do here, or at least try . Could we have you REAL name too, then maybe it would have some credibility, and not some lackey from a large UK dealer.

[Unregistered]

Dodgy Demo's

Take a number of iron bolts, going from small to large. Your detector will null or dip on the small iron bolts up to a point. As the bolts get larger you eventually come to a bolt that will give a positive signal. There is some sort of crossover point when the iron bolt gives a signal that is undistinguishable from a non ferrous target. This crossover point in dependant on the frequency of your detector. The lower the frequency the larger the iron bolt that will give a dip or null. On a motion detector you don’t actually hear the dip or null but it happens all the same. It is possible to select a bolt that is just about neutral. No positive signal and no dip. This is the magic bolt you select for your iron see through demo. Stick a nice good conductor like a copper, gold, or silver coin next to your bolt and the two will give a positive signal now. But the detector is no seeing through anything it is just reacting to the composite. If you could lay down a sheet of steel 3mm thick with a coin underneath and the detect the coin that would be see through, but it would not happen.

George Payne ( Ground Exclusion ), Paul Spencer ( Meter Analytical ), George Payne ( Motion Detector ), Bruce Candy ( BBS ). In this order. In my opinion these are the only people who have made significant metal detecting inventions.

[Sean_Goddard]

Ah yes NOW I see your point and I agree. See when people explain WHY they think something is a pile of bovine manure we can understand their point. I have been all too guilty of having many a rant at manufacturers and not providing solid evidence of why. it's just the way I am, I speak my mind, even if it's a load of beaulocks .

I have done this experiment with many a machine and it's a valid point BUT.. In the case of the XD17 it really does see though iron very well. I've talked at length to Vic and I understand how he manages this. For a start the machine "classifies" and categorises the responses to many types of ferrous targets, in fact it analyses the signal in the same ways the Exporer does to a point) in that it calculates the conductivity, and resistivity of the target.

The XD17 has 4 micros in it all doing different jobs, and it's a very competent machine. I'm not disagreeing with you about the invalidity of the way Fe. see through tests are done, in fact I endorse your statements.

On the subject of inventions What about Eric Foster (PI), and James Earl (Compass varifilter), Bob Podrhasky (Garrett DSP.. Well he got the idea off me. HONEST I have documentary proof to show I proposed this idea some 20 years ago. I even named the machine the Garrett GTi), and The guy at Whites who invented the Signagraph on the XLT series machines, Dave Johnson (Fisher dual frequency CZ series)?

BBS is a great system but not very versatile (look at the patents). If you have a 'scope look at the Rx signal from a Sovereign or Explorer coil when you bring ferous of non-ferrous signals towards the coil, all BBS does is utilise the "autodiscrminate" nature of a balanced coils response to being driven by a PI signal.

I tried a similar experiment back in 1987 and saw the results, only problem was I was 23 back then and I didnt unerstand what I was seeing or it's usefulness, still that's life and we all must by our mistakes. .

BTW you seem to know what you are talking about, why not join us and contribute more . I for one would value future input from you.

[Max]

Hi guys,
why worring too much about trough iron detection ???

Seems not so bright point of view for treasure hunting... I mean if there is too many trash stuff there... probably you just have to change search field!
I don't wanna be a garbage collector...

Just need a machine that signals just wanted targets... and ignore all the other stuff. For me is just enough! Problem is that there isn't a machine that can to that for real as advertised!

Ok, ok... could be some place with iron trash that you maybe want to explore, true, but think that all this stuff about iron masking of good targets is a completely fake argument... I think that no machine today could ignore completely iron (various size etc) and thus all that thinking around iron masking is another nonsense topic, that serves nothing.

An example:
I've made bandidoII, that's a very good machine, great sens, good disc, good project and I like it very much... BUT was claimed to distinguish a good target between trash iron stuff... what a "ball sheet". No no... don't work that way!

I've found screws, nails, all kind of rusty iron in disc mode... then good targets too in "dirty" sites near iron things...but iron sounded too many times...
WHY MANIFACTURERS AND USERS CLAIM SUCH KIND OF STUPID ASSERTIONS ??? Iron masking... yeah , yeah...
and maybe it can also distinguish between dumb users and MD masters!

If a detector has a good GEB that's fine... but say that can find wanted metals in a hell of rusty iron is a completely different film! Think that some ridiculus claims need to be pissed out just like some LRL's claims of finding a coin 1m underground from 1mile away! c'mon

Who assert that his detector can find just wanted metals in a hell of rusty iron or ignore totally big iron is a liar. And that's all.

No Minelab, Troy... whatever... no this or that brand could do... just fake informations and lot SNAKE OIL to drink.

Best regards,
Max

[lamarc]

XD-17 Red Heat does exactly as claimed because

the 2 you see in the pic belongs to me, for 41 yrs I have been fooling around with detectors (TOP OF THE LINE OF COURSE). If you don't believe me buy one you will be very happy. (USA)

[Max]

the 2 you see in the pic belongs to me, for 41 yrs I have been fooling around with detectors (TOP OF THE LINE OF COURSE). If you don't believe me buy one you will be very happy. (USA)

Oh yeah....
Maybe you feel comfortable with that... and that's ok. But, are you talking about total iron discrimination/rejection ??? Seriously ???

I've tryed Minelab stuff, all nice, some better than others models BUT man they are far from advertised or claimed by some entusiast folk!
The hell of rusty iron is a hell for Minelab's too... and I think that they aren't dummy manifacturer. They are great manifacturer of great detectors...
but iron is still a problem.

Now you say that XD-17 can disc all the iron and always ??? And still find good targets in the hell ???

Big words... read lot of times... but bever found any machine capable of that!

Anyway, I'll give it a try if I can... and (maybe -so we are politically correct-) just to make some more laugh!

Best regards,
Max

[nelson]

Take a look to the video Max and see the features of this detector, here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpHWxze2PJI
Regards

Nelson

Oh yeah....
Maybe you feel comfortable with that... and that's ok. But, are you talking about total iron discrimination/rejection ??? Seriously ???

I've tryed Minelab stuff, all nice, some better than others models BUT man they are far from advertised or claimed by some entusiast folk!
The hell of rusty iron is a hell for Minelab's too... and I think that they aren't dummy manifacturer. They are great manifacturer of great detectors...
but iron is still a problem.

Now you say that XD-17 can disc all the iron and always ??? And still find good targets in the hell ???

Big words... read lot of times... but bever found any machine capable of that!

Anyway, I'll give it a try if I can... and (maybe -so we are politically correct-) just to make some more laugh!

Best regards,
Max

[Unregistered]

one of these on EBAY

Nelson, you should keep an eye out for one of these on EBAY, but don't pay an arm an a leg for one.

[Unregistered]

Really??? I see you don't know much about Iron See thru

I found it to be impressive. I went to a relic shop and we tried all his machines with this test. Not many do well. The Red Heat has no problem giving a strong clear deep signal. world of difference in a whisper, chirp, or a pop with a good signal possibly bleeding thru. I can say from actual experience and testing that not every machine does that well. In fact, only a few do that well.