Real Metal Detectors

[roberts]

Simpliest explanation is always the right one!
Michael is making up this whole story just to attract attention, like always.
It was simillar in the past many times. Hung's student.
He actually posted some prepared photo here to attract attention and already told fairy tale about some ET detector. All of you are wasting time to disclose this non existing device, while at the same time Michael is laughing somewhere to death.
It is so obvious. We have here few people more of that kind: Hung,Esteban,Michael, Alex and Ikonos (what was his nick??).
Eversince all others completelly lost any interest in LRL things, those people came here to continue with same stories and spoil these threads also.
LRL was their gheto than. All things were almost fair here. Now it is not fair anymore. Beleivers started to polute other main forum threads, places where they are not welcome with their lies and lunatic fairy tales.
Administrator finally must do something!

[Geo]

Welcome ROBerts

[Fred]

Simpliest explanation is always the right one!
Michael is making up this whole story just to attract attention, like always.
It was simillar in the past many times. Hung's student.
He actually posted some prepared photo here to attract attention and already told fairy tale about some ET detector. All of you are wasting time to disclose this non existing device, while at the same time Michael is laughing somewhere to death.
It is so obvious. We have here few people more of that kind: Hung,Esteban,Michael, Alex and Ikonos (what was his nick??).
Eversince all others completelly lost any interest in LRL things, those people came here to continue with same stories and spoil these threads also.
LRL was their gheto than. All things were almost fair here. Now it is not fair anymore. Beleivers started to polute other main forum threads, places where they are not welcome with their lies and lunatic fairy tales.
Administrator finally must do something!

[roberts]

Fred, eating to much chocolate usually leads you to that situation!

If you dont aprove my presumption than i guess you can help here and tell us more details on MDL ?
MDL is non existing device, i can asure you.
Michael is not bad guy, only need public attention from time to time. That is all.

[Fred]

Fred, eating to much chocolate usually leads you to that situation!

If you dont aprove my presumption than i guess you can help here and tell us more details on MDL ?
MDL is non existing device, i can asure you.
Michael is not bad guy, only need public attention from time to time. That is all.

Hi Robert,
I don´t see any point for Michael to tell stories, he is just asking help to indentify a device, and he is not "selling" anything.
I have no reason to doubt of Michael, so i don´t .
You can´t progress if you deny everything.You may have your reasons,but i don´t .
And i think you seem "stressed", so i send the above message
Please undertand that i like irony or controversy,but never with a bad meaning.So be prepared!
I think you are in the same case...

BTW, i really like chocolate....
Regards,
Fred.

[Fred]

Michael,
What is that? looks like a logo of some kind??
Regards,
Fred.

[joecoin]

I don't believe this device was manufactured in the United States of America. I have been repairing electronic devices for more than 23 years, in the USA.

The white sticker is the clue.
"This device is repairable by experts and should not be applied by unskilled person" is not a sentence that was written by a person whose first language is English. The usual warning in English is "This device contains no user-serviceable parts. Repairs, servicing and electric connection must be carried out by a qualified technician. ", or something very close to this.

I believe the word "applied" on the white sticker in the MDL8500 is a mis-translation of the word opened.

Next time someone wants to pretend something is made in the USA, please contact me for advice.

I am not saying this device does not work. I am saying there is no need to look further in the USA for the manufacturer.

[amtech2005]

Real Metal Detectors

The only way we will be able to identify Michael's unknown "P.I. Metal Detector" , Is for Michael to finally take the whole circuit board out of the case and take some clear "complete" digital photos , without any glare from reflective light. So we can see both sides of the pcb
"Circuit Board" clearly... 1. The soldered side and the 2. Components side with the numbers of the i.c.'s and color codes of all resistors...3.Any numbers printed on the PCB itself. Also 4. Numbers ,symbols , labels or dates on the inside of the case .

Michael , I Believe you , when you say you own it and have it in your possession. I know you use it on a regular basis. After you find your lost Cache that you have been seeking and talking about. Please take this P.I. detector apart and make sure all photos are clear and full , No partial fuzzy garbage................Then we will know exactly who made this or we might even find out who copied this from someone else !!!!!!..I believe this detector was assembled in the u.s.a. , but the circuit board came from somewhere else ...Finish your schedule or your plans with this machine , then take all the photos you can , then maybe , WE WILL FINALLY HAVE CLOSURE ON THIS MATTER !!!!!
Good luck on that Cache you are trying to locate......Have a Great day and Thank-You........Eugene

[olympios]

Yes, I agree with Joecoin. The repair note on sticker, is not what you see on commercial electronics, even those made in Japan, China, Mexico, etc. Just about all electronics nowdays are made outside the USA. Michael's MDL8500, looks like it is some kind of "homemade" device. Of course that doesn't mean it is not good. I, too, think that he should take some good pictures from both sides of the board, good enough so the components are identifiable. I think he mentioned somewhere that the lettering on the ICs has been scratched off. That is bad, but the experts can still identify them. Michael, if you are careful, you can take it appart without damaging anything.

[michael]

Hi,
First of all Robert(that shark logo really suits you) occasionally appears to bite bitterly.
again you appeared with nauseous words? man, can't you be at least, just at least one time like a gentle man? you love to upset? Don't you know other words than these :
" it's impossible,.... it's crap,..... All of you are wasting time..... non existing device....."
lest you see space crafts, space station or Shuttle on TV don't believe and think is fraud or non existing,...
man, come on just one time, only one time for god sakes be humble and exit from your tick arrogance skin. no reason for me to attract anybody attention. of course I tried to attract people attention to the MDL not myself as 4-5 month ago started it with e-mailing to some Americans but got no help.

it sounds you need attract other attention with only your hollow talk big and making upset. If you can’t tolerate, don’t come in.

about LRLs as have said before, now say again I'm standing on my words :" some of them really work" you are ignorant of them and their prodigy users. whom can't imagine their abilities, one of them was the man I told about years ago in this forum whom we lost in an driving accident. but one thing there is in most LRLs ; highly depends on operator skill and needs to high concentration.... and many things e.g. wind, slipping influence their work, but MDL is a conventional MD and LRL ( of course for big OBTs) without any limitation(except to direct sun beam and heat. At nights you reign to a vast desert)

now I've this instrument and if was prepareable for me the story became like
LRLs and sometimes I wrote here that "I've worked with such defeat device which works like a LRL for big targets" and would never divulge its' info and you like past would ridicule.(albeit now are doing it) I put it only for get help of others. and will go ahead up to where be possible and has no damage possibility for my MDL. cos it's an endless treasure for me. we call it "Map treasure of every area"
now we are sure when step in an area with MDL will catch treasure at least time. at great depths.
What I have seen up to now from you Robert, was upsetting not even one useful point except to scattering negatives. learn a little moral from others here; people like Max, Geo, Andreas, Ivconic, J-Player, Fred... who I learnt many things of them who humbly release their info.
I wish I had their knowledge to be a help in specific electronics for THing.
I've seen only bitter tongue of you, man!! when will you want to change?
your words is an affront to others here? you're words mean you're the only reasonable man and others with tons of their knowledge unreasonable?

assume I'm liar, what new/serious info do you have for us in THing affair? not in radio world or 26-7 years of experience in radio.
maybe your electronic be good as strong as Max, Ivconic or others.... but am sure you are entirely ignorant of serious THing. utmost maybe have hold a detector in your hands some times for hobby not a THer.

Thanks Fred for your kind and logical regards.
these pictures were taken with low dpi I think the logo is obvious that's a kind of attention seem to be "not using other MDs near it".
other friends, I'm sorry for not daring to open other parts. last week I tookand e-mailed pictures of board with high dpi for a member of here who asked me to do it for a probability to find a name inside, but found nothing.
I tried put them here , but files size is more than 256 kb and rejected.

[Morgan]

MDL by NASA

Hi,
I think it's pure speculation... not cause M.D.L. cannot manifacture an MD if needed ... but cause they work mainly for NASA/aerospace applications, often custom semiconductor masterpieces not MDs.

Now the MDL8500 isn't anything military or aerospace... and probably has not a pentium celeron inside... (e.g. where's the cooling system... fan etc ? also pentium processors require extended contour chipsets ...all require space, energy and to dissipate heat) but if an Intel inside really... will probably an ARM-derivation like Xscale processors. This is if there isn't a simple PIC inside or the like... things that's really probable instead, and the sticker is just a joke. It's just a powerful PI , probably not hi voltage but HI current, MD.

So, please don't mix things... MDL in MDL8500 could mean "model" or anything else... but sure not Microelectronics Development Lab.

Kind regards,
Max

Not pure speculation.If Michael say its very good device is because he know what he have in hands and already find realy deep targets,that other powerful PI cant get.
Device CALIBRATED IN USA,so its not chinese or bulgarian stuff,its from UNITED STATES of AMERICA !!!
One member of this forum work many years reparing MD in USA,and he never saw MDL8500. This is the other clue who make me search in MDL (NASA). They are preparing many things for the big trip to planet Mars,so maybe they will need powerful MD to try there.
If this device is so powerful and secret and Made in USA,its because its one Microelectronics Development Lab MDL,not a product for everybody.
NASA create MDs,that is for sure,they are behind this device...
So Max,not pure speculation but the true about this MDL is very near

[roberts]

"..that shark logo really suits you.."
That's why i am using it!

"..it sounds you need attract other attention.."
Yes of course. That is my main task here, to attract other attention and to provoke
them to start using own brains for a while. Not every word posted here a truth!
Especially words came from people who already showed real character many times in the
past.

My way of dealing with facts is rude,arogant and unpleasant. That is only way to ultimate
truth.

"..assume I'm liar.."
I am not assuming.

"..I tried put them here , but files size is more than 256 kb and rejected..."
What a excuse!? So it is impossible for you to convert those in lower
resoultion!?

Everybody talking about NASA products!? Hah! Anybody ever seen any NASA product? Does any NASA "product" need any sticky label on it? And what standards are applied there?
MDL as it was presented by Michael reminds me on several simillar products at LRL threads.
Those are always "secret", "NASA", "ultra powered", "mystic", "allmighty" , "hard to take photos", "impossible to be opened", "no labels or strange labels"," 25th century tehnology!!", "secret science", "see through walls on 495 feet range", " stollen from american soldiers somewhere in deserts", "possibly made in south America", "based on ultra-turbo-pseudo-hyper science".... and so on, and so on!

Real truth is; it is ordinary plastic enclosure, specially prepared by jokers, to take photos for this forum, crazy sticky labels put on it, previously taken from other different products. Inside enclosure some scrap electronic mounted to look like real device. Already seen many times in real world.
Same group of people here always trying to make sort of sensation and attract huge public attention.
That is all, real truth.

[Fred]

these pictures were taken with low dpi I think the logo is obvious that's a kind of attention seem to be "not using other MDs near it".
other friends, I'm sorry for not daring to open other parts. last week I tookand e-mailed pictures of board with high dpi for a member of here who asked me to do it for a probability to find a name inside, but found nothing.
I tried put them here , but files size is more than 256 kb and rejected.

Hi Michael,
Ok,i could not see the logo well enought.
Anyway if you want to post better pictures, i ´m sure you can PM them to me or anyone and we will gladly post them.

To english natives: what applied means in the actual context? is it in a correct form, even if uncommon?

Regards,
Fred.

[Max]

Not pure speculation.If Michael say its very good device is because he know what he have in hands and already find realy deep targets,that other powerful PI cant get.
Device CALIBRATED IN USA,so its not chinese or bulgarian stuff,its from UNITED STATES of AMERICA !!!
One member of this forum work many years reparing MD in USA,and he never saw MDL8500. This is the other clue who make me search in MDL (NASA). They are preparing many things for the big trip to planet Mars,so maybe they will need powerful MD to try there.
If this device is so powerful and secret and Made in USA,its because its one Microelectronics Development Lab MDL,not a product for everybody.
NASA create MDs,that is for sure,they are behind this device...
So Max,not pure speculation but the true about this MDL is very near

Hi,
I think you never saw any military or aerospace grade product from USA!
What ? NASA ?

Do you think really that Nasa people mistaken the label , like Joecoin explained you ?

Do you think really an aerospace or planet recognition device could follow that kind of soldering work ?

Use standard components inside ?

Do you know which is the temperature operating range of something that must work on Mars !?

You haven't any clue of all this , dear Morgan. Like with Alonso's pistol detector... secret technology... I'll better don't talk about cause people here will laugh for a week!

I agree with Joecoin and others that pointed to the non-USA-made reality of this device: probably an handmade or customized kit... that sure wouldn't mean it doesn't work as explained... it could REALLY detect stuff at very deep with a 2mx2m frame.

But from this to say that's USA made by NASA, man! What a fantasy you have!

Also... all the labels etc are there just to say: HEY! I'M A USA MADE PRODUCT... BE PREPARED TO PAY 10000 us dollars to bring me home... or 20000 ...change nothing. Someone will pay for it... Michael probably did really.

Now !? Does it mean it's a Sandia Lab's stuff or something ??? Pretty naive beliving in some labels anyone could put there... same for the celeron sticker that much probably a joke in the joke!

Then... I , as TH entusiast, really wouldn't care much if made in the USA or in China or in Bulgaria or even on Mars if it does what's intended to do!

What's the point here ??? Maybe if someone will put there e.g. "made in Brazil" nobody will buy cause of "some" south american products fame, you're so expert of them!

"CALIBRATED IN USA"... like say it's not a banana-device from Ecuador, uh ? Or to say "not designed in Rio de Janeiro" ! That's everybody knows... nobody offence, just sad truth...them are banana-republics...good for LRL manifacturers to hide.......and other dirty stuff like too many places in S.A. today are!

Woody for president!

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Wow Max!!
I guess we dont have the same notion of what a banana republic is ! I think so called evolued countries are more bananas than others.
But that is not the point here, and in my opinion this detector could very well be a one-of-a-kind prototype or custom-ordered small serie made by a small specialized company.
There is plenty of independent and not-so-independent companies working for governments.Or big companies small labs.
Not military o space of course , but government stuff, wich is quite diferent.
Anyway if it was from Mars you would now it, you are from there right? and you say it´s cool...
As you say aerospace and aeronautics electronics have NOTHING to do with this kind of electronics...
Now i would like to know if this label is written in correct english or not, independently of the common usal "qualified personnel only" stuff...

Best regards,
Fred.

Do you know which is the temperature operating range of something that must work on Mars !? Max

Cool...