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Melbeta good to see u here many years after the story goes on ............Compass the legend.....
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If one is a fan, one must always know...
Rivers rat,Originally posted by Rivers rat View Post
As when one is a fan of Compass, one must always know what is going on, or what went on, kind of like the doctor each time he sees you, he checks your pulse again. Even though he checked it the last time he saw you...
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Hi Melbeta,Originally posted by Melbeta View Post
I was just coming back to this forum after many years ob absence. Just reading that you knew Ron Mack? Do you know where I can find him? Was he the owner of the Compass company when it had that big fire in the production area?
If yes, he still has 6000 $ of my money too and I would like to get my money back too. As a former dealer in Germany I send him money so he can get me the last of his AU2000 and XP-Pro Plus to Germany but it never happen. Got lots of mails but no detectors.
Would be nice If you could help me there too.
Thanks
Harry
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Ron Mack died from Cancer...
Harry, I was a dealer just like you. I knew Ron Mack from earlier times, before he became sick and left Compass. He got cancer and died from the cancer.Originally posted by dfas-eu View Post
I stopped buying before the Compass fire in the factory. The fire was May 15, 1994,and at that time an foreigner owned the company. No, I do not believe that Ron Mack had any ownership at the time you bought your detectors, he had already died from Cancer. The company at the time of the fire when you bought the detectors was a Corporation, and I believe it was owned by a wealty Arab person. I am attaching a letter from the foreign owner.
I cannot help you, Compass is out of business, went bankrupt, and I do not know of anyone that can help you. In the United States, on a corporation, the individuals are not liable for the debts created by the corporation.
I was trying to find out current information just like you are trying to find out current information.
Did you deal with the original company, or with that Steve person who took the Compass name and operated out from a small office after Compass went out of business?
Melbeta
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Hello again Melbeta !!
That is the first time I saw that letter , thank-you for posting it .
Chairman and CEO Sohail Masood ? Interesting !!
O.K. , the first thing I thought of was , did they have fire insurance ? That would be interesting to find out and would give us a clue on what really happened after the fire .
Compass Metal Detectors were very good machines back then , just think of how top-rated and competitive the compass machines would be today if all the employees fought to stay in business back then . Thanks again
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Yes, Sohail Masood was the person that I was told was a wealthy foreign Arab owner. But I was also told he was milking it at the last too. Again, heresay.Originally posted by amtech2005 View Post
In the EPA filings, it shows Merix Corporation to be the actual owner,operator, which I assume was a corporation owned by Sohail Masood. But if you look in the International material, it shows Sohail Masood running a DBA (doing business as) Compass International. As you look at all the names and entities, does the word "subterfuge" pop up in your mind?
It does not say a word about Compass International being a corporation. So was it a corporation? Or just an individual proprietership? I do not know, that is why I ask that question. If it was a proprietership, and not a corportation, thus facilitating "stuffing of the pockets with cash", then one does not have the corporate "shield in liability"! With an corporation, it is harder to hide the stuffing of money. I am alluding to the question of milking the company at the last. Of course, they can pay themselves huge bonuses, but even those are taxed. Taking money under the table for the parts and company name, which no one knows anything about, might be milking...
If Sohail Masood was not operating as a corporation, and it was that entity that took the money and did not deliver, well, he would be personally liabile for that debt. So the guy in Germany might pursue that question. I mean, did he send the money to Compass Electronics Inc or Merix Corporation or Compass International???
Another person in this forum sent money to Steve Goss, acting as the new Compass company, for the entire European master dealership, and lost his investment. He tried to get it back, but I am not sure he ever got any of it back. I do not know if this fellow in Germany lost his money to Steve Goss individually, or to this company being run by Sohail Masood.... He will have to figure that out himself! But it all makes good discussion doesn't it?
I imagine none of the people that are named there in the EPA document, that the phone numbers are still any good, but if I lost some big bucks there, I would at least try and track the people down and get some honest solid answers. From last search, it appears that Masood is still in the USA. American is where the money "used to be at", you know...
I heard that Sohail Masood (all heresay though) filed a Compass bankruptcy, but it did not go all the way and finalize, it was dropped, which some bankruptcys do. I think (speculative guessing) that Sohail Masood got rid of the remaining things by selling them, sold some of the parts to Steve Goss, who was the former service manager of the service department, and decided, why not just throw in the towel and walk away, I got mine! Speculative...
Steve Goss for a time, did warranty service work "on his own time and money" after Compass failed, but he went under also. So why did he do that when he did not have to do that? I think to help bolster up the "new" Compass company he was trying to resurrect out of the ashes! If he took care of the warranty work, he could hang onto the former dealers? Kudo's to Steve Goss for that part! We have evidence he did acquire the name of Compass, apparently from Masood. Someone had to give him the right to file for the Compass trademark! Trademarks are owned, and are called "blue sky" and part of the goodwill of the name, and are sold along with the assets and liabilities.
A mess of subterfuge and what else do they say? Lies, tales, etc.? One does not know until he beings digging into the deception and subterfuge. Again, all speculation and heresay.
A company I worked for in the early 1960's, owed me unpaid sales comissions, but I never collected them, as they divided up the company, and each of the other owners said "oh, that part belongs to so and so". And "so and so" denied it, and said it belongs to "the other so and so". It was three guys, they just shuffled me back and forth, so I turned the debt collection over to GOD, as it says to do in the bible, by forgiving them, and HE will "heap hot coals on their heads". I may not get my money, but I know, as a Christian, they will not escape punishment...
Just the name alone of Compass is "blue sky" value. But even now, that name of Compass Electronics "has been abandoned" and is no longer held! It was dropped from the federal Trademark registry of protected names, and is now out in the "public realm"!
Here also is a document showing that Steven P. Goss filed a Trademark on Compass name in 1997, and at the bottom it now shows that the Trademark is "cancelled". So Eugene, if you have any aspirations on starting a metal detector company, from all appearances right now, it appears "that Compass is up for grabs"!!!
I do not know if there was insurance or no insurance, a prudent person would have the place insured, but an foreign owner? Maybe not. Maybe yes, and he cashed the check? Who knows? I don't! As a former real estate broker and a person who studied law at the University of Nebraska, and a former business owner of many businesses, I can only speculate because of lack of specific information.
Melbeta
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Could be that Mr. Masood has been playing with matches again:
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...troyed_on.html
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Originally posted by Carl-NC View Post
Thank-You Carl for posting the links above !!!
I have no comment right now , this is so unbelievable . I wonder if he bought a bigger mansion or fled the country ?
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Still living on the property....
the story says that Sahail is still living on the property, in a 5,000 SF building called "the Barn".Originally posted by amtech2005 View Post
He is not Arab, but is from Pakistan. The articles said he was a salesman, then suddenly he is an Investment Banker? Opium Money? Involved with lots of trouble and lawsuits suddenly. An apple falls from a tree, not far from the tree, which implies a connection between apple and tree. Something smells here...Where did a salesman get the money to purchase Compass???
OregonLive.com needs to know about the Compass fire, and start other investigations going. DNA is DNA, no matter where you find it, it is the same DNA. I guess you can read in between the lines...I did a search, and this fire never showed up under his name, must be that the story was more "in house" then "in internet" back then... As Eddie Murphy used to say on Saturday Night Live, I can still here him saying can you say "maybe fire bug"?
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i had good business in the past with Sue and Steve Gos, and are really exquisite lovely persons, they are makers of the best metal detectors of the world the challenger series x80, x100 , x200, ect..Comment
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JeoHunter,Originally posted by jeohunter View Post
I cannot agree or disagree with you on whether or not Sue and Steve Goss are "really exquisite lovely persons", as they may very well be those kind of people. ...And I am certainly glad you had "good business" with them.
But I will disagree with you on the rest of yours statement. I was a Compass Dealer, and had excellent business with Compass Electronics, until they went out of business, and Sue Goss was not employed, to the best of my knowledge, with Compass Electronics. Steve Goss was employed with Compass Electornics, and was a repair technician with Compass Electronics, and I have been subsequently told he was the head technician. Do not know if that is true on not, but it was what I was told. When I was a Compass Dealer, I did speak to John Goss, who was a technician in the Compass Electroics service department regarding repair of my Compass detectors... And they certainly did come back repaired and worked great. Compass Electronics always gave me good service...
I see you are from Italy. Steve Goss, when he had purportedly purchased Compass Electronics after its demise, opened up a dealership in Italy. So I assume your connection was with that dealership. Steve Goss opened up distributorships in Germany and other places as well.
What is wrong with your statement? It was NOT Steve Goss who was the maker of the Compass Challengers, specifically the X-80, X-100, X-200 metal detectors. It was John Earle, who was the Chief Engineer of the engineering department, of Compass Electronics, to who belongs that distinction and award. Not Steve Goss. John Earle designed those detectors, and Compass Electronics, under the guidance of Ron Mack, MADE those models.
By the time of the X-200 though, Ron Mack had cancer, and I am not sure of his involvement at that time. I believe in the truth, so I posted the truth. Incidently, John Earle is an engineer now with Whites Electronics, as Carl Moreland, who is a moderator of this forum, can attest... Lets give credit due to the person who actually did the creation of the Compass Challenger detectors. It was JOHN EARLE, not John or Sue Goss!
Is this factual? Well, I have the schematics for the Compass Challenger X-70, X-80, X-90, and X-100 models, and on each of them is the name of John Earle or J. Earle. On the technical material, it is the name of John Earle or J. Earle. I do not see the name of John Goss!
Beyond that, I have no disagreement with your posting, but it was John Earle who deserves the accolade... Now after Compass Electronics went under, I no longer bought and sold detectors after that, from Steve and Sue Goss. So I cannot speak in that regard. All I will speak about is the truth.
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Melbeta me i am in italy and far of all theese informations that i did not know
before now, and tanks for your usefull informations,
all theese information are surely interest also with others memeber to know the
compass history,
in fact me i was a compass dealer, and now i am whites makro desertgold
distributor for italy and also garrett , and cscope distributor,
me i am try many time to contact Steve Goss, because looking for schematics
properly for x100 - x200 , and for talk of business,
can you help me ?? where are you locate ??
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Hi Melbeta,
after years I found your message to the question I had about compass. I had a bad computer crash and lost all of my links and passwords to all my groups and I just found it again today .. after so many years.
I was mistaken by the name .... it was NOT Ron Mack which I dealed with last. He was the one I talked to when I was selected as a dealer in Germany. The last person I dealed with and send money too was BILL TURLAY. He was the one received the money orders and cashed them in. Just found my notes and emails about this. So ... Ron Mack was the good guy and that is how we keep him in memory. Anyone nows about Bill Turlay and where he can be found?
Thanks
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Harry
You sent me an email regarding Till Turlay, I responded to your email, but it bounced back to me. Apparently you have good spam software. All I can say is I never heard of Bill Turlay, and know nothing regarding him. As for Keith Wills, I have the highest regard for Keith Wills. He runs his own company and does an excellent job repairing and returning metal detectors. I have not personally used Keith for repairs, but I would not hesistate to use him. I recommend Keith Wills for Compass repairs. And as for your lost $6,000.00, sorry to hear of it, but I think it is a lost cause trying to find someone to recover the money. Perhaps not impossible, but highly improbable. Good luck!
I liked Compass, liked all the people who worked for Compass, and had no problems with any of the persons. And I still love the Compass metal detectros.
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