Compass Electronics indicted for Fraud!!!

[Sean_Goddard]

Well, I have to say this comes as no surprise, that I've had an Email from the sheriff's dept. in Washington county Oregon informing me that following an extensive investigation of the Compass Electronics, they intend to indict the owners for theft and fraud.

Following a five year dialogue between myself, various other Compass dealers worldwide and the sheriffs office concerning machines paid for and never delivered, returned for repair and never returned to the rightful owners and many other "iregularities in business operations" The two owners are shortly to be arrested and tried for Theft and Fraud.

I have been requested to travel to the USA to give evidence (date not secured yet). This process may take up to two years, but it looks like these jokers are finally going to go to jail for ripping people off and giving the Compass name bad rap!

[amtech2005]

Compass

Well, I have to say this comes as no surprise, that I've had an Email from the sheriff's dept. in Washington county Oregon informing me that following an extensive investigation of the Compass Electronics, they intend to indict the owners for theft and fraud.

Following a five year dialogue between myself, various other Compass dealers worldwide and the sheriffs office concerning machines paid for and never delivered, returned for repair and never returned to the rightful owners and many other "iregularities in business operations" The two owners are shortly to be arrested and tried for Theft and Fraud.

I have been requested to travel to the USA to give evidence (date not secured yet). This process may take up to two years, but it looks like these jokers are finally going to go to jail for ripping people off and giving the Compass name bad rap!

SEAN , THANK-YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is Great News !!!!
I put your posting Quote on my post here , so people can see your important post Again !! Did you know This will make a whole bunch of people "VERY , VERY HAPPY" !!!
About two or three years ago I recieved several e-mails from people who lost Thousands of Dollars Each !!! And they were looking to hunt down the two Last people who ran Compass Electronic's . Sean , I hope you kept all your order invoices and receipt's !!!!! Last I heard , and "A RUMOR" , they both left to California and were running a internet mail order business , selling Electronic component's : "I.C.'s , Resistor's , capacitor's , Everything , and possibly under a different name !!!!!!!! So if they are not in Oregon ,they are in Southern California . Thank-You so much for the information , this news will make very many people Happy !!! Compass made some good products !!! They did have "A Potential Gold-Mine" !! And with proper "management" and hiring a good "technical and engineering staff" , "for product development / research . THEY COULD HAVE MADE A FORTUNE !!! How STUPID were they . Now they will be making Oregon License plates for Automobiles !!!!This news , may turn into something good ??????????? Sean , Please keep us posted , and this is why "you" are very valued here , as a Member of Geotech !!!!!. You have a Great Day Also....Thank-You.......Eugene

[Sean_Goddard]

Amtech, if you STILL have these emails, PLEASE pm me and send them to me I will send tem to the sheriff as evidence.

I am going after Compass BIG TIME now. I want their schematics and layouts, in fact I want the WHOLE company. I will PM them to those people such as yourself, and a few others I can trust on this forum (IF I get my hands on them).

So much going on, too many things for me to do, I need to clone myself (God help us all) to get things done.

For ages I got some B.S. story about her dying of cancer and living on a rented ranch with 75 horses she had to look after. I looked at their house using Google Earth, guess what? NICE big spread with cornfileds all around (no horses, heck, no stables or barn) TWO large SUV.s in the drive and a HUGE swimming pool in a yard the size of a football pitch!!

MANY thanks for your kind comments too, I REALLY enjoy this forum as it's the only place I've found where people don't judge others, except on their merit. So many other detecting related forums people are just in a little clique and "know it all" when in reality they know nothing. Here no one is afraid to admit they have learned something new today .

[amtech2005]

Compass Electronics indicted for Fraud!!!

SEAN , I know your hardship , I am searching now , since these were e-mail's from 2006 , Wish me luck !! One of the e-mails was from a man who owned a Metal Detector company in Eastern Europe , and he may not be an active Member of Geotech anymore . He suffered losses of several thousand , with his Broken english I understood his Grief. So you are not alone Sean , in your losses and suffering . Anything I see or find , I will let you know , as soon as possible. Something else I just remembered was a big topic that was posted on a 'big treasure electronic forum" about 2005 0r 2006 about Compass Electronics and members of that forum , Who were angry and searching for the same two people !!! They also mentioned the shut-down facility or warehouse or "Building" or whatever it was in Oregon State. There are bits and pieces about this still on the internet , but they might be archived by now..................Best of luck to you , when they are finally in custody , then you will recieve more e-mails. And even other information , like new evidence they get !!!!...... Sean , it sure would be wonderfull if you , or someone close to you , or both acquired the "Compass Electronic's" company name and rights , and the Schematics, and the last of the company books , just to see the true status of the company before it crashed . Also I believe that in the United States all of this will eventually become "Public Record" .So everyone will know the "TRUTH" about the last two owners ........That's all I can say for now , Maybe other Forum Members , know some more than we do , and certainly they are very welcome to share on this "HUGE DEVELOPMENT" !!!!!!!....................Bye for now.............Take care everyone.......Eugene..

[Sean_Goddard]

They SAID they filed for chapter 11, but if they had done this their lawyers should have notified ALL their creditors. This did not happen, I was told nothing.

On this forum >>http://n2.nabble.com/Is-Compass-back...3.html#a679466 it looks like they are trying to start up again. Read my posting on there (Sidley).

If they are trying to get started again I doubt very much any dealer will touch them, not to mention they are operating illegally as the terms of their chapter 11 were never made public (another reason I dont think they ever filed for such an action).

If these guys get off, i.e. don't go to jail the'yd better start running, because I will be posting their contact details on EVERY forum I can find. They owed me $8000, and that just the machines they took and never returned. I got four years of "Oh we're gonna ship them next week". Last time I looked, I dont think I had "gullible" written anywhere on my face and I'm sure a great many other people feel the same too. The more evidence I have/take with me/can provide, the longer these guys will go away for (we hope).

Oh, I will need copies of the email HEADERS if you can get them, I need these to prove, in court, the emails are genuine. Without these headers, I could have made them up. The Sheriffs office may also want to email the senders to talk to them directly.

[joecoin]

Sean,

I would be interested in looking into getting enough of the company to start building machines.

[Delbert grady]

Missing Horses

For ages I got some B.S. story about her dying of cancer and living on a rented ranch with 75 horses she had to look after. I looked at their house using Google Earth, guess what? NICE big spread with cornfileds all around (no horses, heck, no stables or barn) TWO large SUV.s in the drive and a HUGE swimming pool in a yard the size of a football pitch!!

Sean. When you looked on Google Earth how big was the house.
Could the horses be hidden inside.

[Elie]

Well, I have to say this comes as no surprise, that I've had an Email from the sheriff's dept. in Washington county Oregon informing me that following an extensive investigation of the Compass Electronics, they intend to indict the owners for theft and fraud.

Following a five year dialogue between myself, various other Compass dealers worldwide and the sheriffs office concerning machines paid for and never delivered, returned for repair and never returned to the rightful owners and many other "iregularities in business operations" The two owners are shortly to be arrested and tried for Theft and Fraud.

I have been requested to travel to the USA to give evidence (date not secured yet). This process may take up to two years, but it looks like these jokers are finally going to go to jail for ripping people off and giving the Compass name bad rap!

I thought that Compass had switched from making metal detectors to making "long range locators." What about THAT fraud?

[Carl-NC]

I thought that Compass had switched from making metal detectors to making "long range locators." What about THAT fraud?

As I understand it, not the same Compass. Apparently when Compass burned down, someone took their name & logo and started making LRLs. I'm told that after some legal action, that 'someone' ceased using Compass. They still make the LRL under the name "Pro II". You can use a search engine to determine who that 'someone' is.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

As I understand it, not the same Compass. Apparently when Compass burned down, someone took their name & logo and started making LRLs. I'm told that after some legal action, that 'someone' ceased using Compass. They still make the LRL under the name "Pro II". You can use a search engine to determine who that 'someone' is.

- Carl

I assume it's the infamous Gold Cross LRL that you're referring to?

[Melbeta]

Sean, what is the latest on this???

They SAID they filed for chapter 11, but if they had done this their lawyers should have notified ALL their creditors. This did not happen, I was told nothing.

On this forum >>http://n2.nabble.com/Is-Compass-back...3.html#a679466 it looks like they are trying to start up again. Read my posting on there (Sidley).

If they are trying to get started again I doubt very much any dealer will touch them, not to mention they are operating illegally as the terms of their chapter 11 were never made public (another reason I dont think they ever filed for such an action).

If these guys get off, i.e. don't go to jail the'yd better start running, because I will be posting their contact details on EVERY forum I can find. They owed me $8000, and that just the machines they took and never returned. I got four years of "Oh we're gonna ship them next week". Last time I looked, I dont think I had "gullible" written anywhere on my face and I'm sure a great many other people feel the same too. The more evidence I have/take with me/can provide, the longer these guys will go away for (we hope).

Oh, I will need copies of the email HEADERS if you can get them, I need these to prove, in court, the emails are genuine. Without these headers, I could have made them up. The Sheriffs office may also want to email the senders to talk to them directly.

Sean, as a former Compass dealer, I am curious to know what the latest news is on Compass? Also, do you have any Compass schematics? If so, perhaps we can exchange what we have.
Melbeta

[amtech2005]

They SAID they filed for chapter 11, but if they had done this their lawyers should have notified ALL their creditors. This did not happen, I was told nothing.

On this forum >>http://n2.nabble.com/Is-Compass-back...3.html#a679466 it looks like they are trying to start up again. Read my posting on there (Sidley).

If they are trying to get started again I doubt very much any dealer will touch them, not to mention they are operating illegally as the terms of their chapter 11 were never made public (another reason I dont think they ever filed for such an action).

If these guys get off, i.e. don't go to jail the'yd better start running, because I will be posting their contact details on EVERY forum I can find. They owed me $8000, and that just the machines they took and never returned. I got four years of "Oh we're gonna ship them next week". Last time I looked, I dont think I had "gullible" written anywhere on my face and I'm sure a great many other people feel the same too. The more evidence I have/take with me/can provide, the longer these guys will go away for (we hope).

Oh, I will need copies of the email HEADERS if you can get them, I need these to prove, in court, the emails are genuine. Without these headers, I could have made them up. The Sheriffs office may also want to email the senders to talk to them directly.

Hello Everyone . From the information I followed over the years . They [The owners of Compass] locked the front door and left Oregon in a hurry !! I never heard of any bankruptcy proceedings ever being completed in Oregon State . In the United States any proceedings would be in the courts "Public Records" . What I do not understand " If a bankruptcy was not done in the courts " how can they legally repair Compass Metal detectors in Texas having Company owned schematics and using leftover Compass parts like search-coils and housings etc...etc... In a bankruptcy proceeding isn't all inventory confiscated , then sold by united states law to help pay off the creditors they owed money to ??

Also I thought that fraud over-seas would involve the justice department ?

I find it hard to believe that Compass would start manufacturing again .
7 year statute of limitations ? NO , That law does not apply here when over-seas fraud is involved !!

The compass website that started after compass shut down still works , but the link above does not .

By the way , if Compass starts up again "the first 500 machines on the production line must be shipped to all the dealers they defrauded " !!!

HH.............Eugene

[Melbeta]

I know a bit about bankruptcy...

Hello Everyone . From the information I followed over the years . They [The owners of Compass] locked the front door and left Oregon in a hurry !! I never heard of any bankruptcy proceedings ever being completed in Oregon State . In the United States any proceedings would be in the courts "Public Records" .
Bankruptcy is under Federal Law, and is initiated by the Referee in Bankruptcy, in court actons, under the auspices of the State of Oregon. Any recordation are filed in the local places as stated for recordation, and then become part of the Public Records.

What I do not understand " If a bankruptcy was not done in the courts " how can they legally repair Compass Metal detectors in Texas having Company owned schematics and using leftover Compass parts like search-coils and housings etc...etc... In a bankruptcy proceeding isn't all inventory confiscated , then sold by united states law to help pay off the creditors they owed money to ??
No, according to my attorney friend, who was Referee in Bankruptcy, it is not physically confiscated, but is paper confiscated and falls under the control and direction of the Referee in Bankruptcy during the duration of the bankruptcy action, in order to be sold and disposed of, and the proceeds of such sale to go into the bankruptcy, in order to be distributed to the creditors. It normally is left where it is, and no one better fool with it, under federal law! It cannot be sold or disposed of by the person filing the bankruptcy without the express knowledge and permission of the Referee in Bankruptcy, who has legal title to the items you mention during the period it is under the bankruptcy! The bankruptcy can be discharged at anytime and abandoned, and it is up to the court handling the bankruptcy. Your question is beyond and not part of any bankruptcy. It falls under other realms of the law, such as patents, copyrights, ownership of drafted documents, etc. If no one is there to punish violators of such, then such is done without any worry of legal action.

Also I thought that fraud over-seas would involve the justice department ?
It usually starts in the Federal Trade Commission, but can be started directly in the U.S. Department of Justice, if they will accept the complaint of violation of federal law. It is easier to start it elsewhere, have it investigated by other federal agencys, then be forwarded to the enforcement attorneys in the US Dept of Justice. I have had that experience in one of my complaints.

I find it hard to believe that Compass would start manufacturing again .
There is no federal laws that preclude that event. There would be no laws in the State of Oregon to preclude that, unless the very same Compass violated the compliance court order of a court in the State of Oregon. And a corporation has a limited life, the life created by the state that the Secretary of State in the state that created the corporation, and the corporation must comply with the Secretary of State, to keep "the corportaton alive during the life of the corporation". If not, then the corporation charter issued by the Sec of State, expires, and the corporation ceases to exist. Compass does not exist anymore, it would have to be created anew again, to operate, and no one is dumb enough to re-create the former existing corporation, it would be created as a brand new corporation and would be a "brand new artificial person", which is a corporation. So this would not be a problem concerning the former existence of a different corporation to the brand new corporation. In other wors, I am not you, and you are not me, I am not subject to your debts, and you are not subject to my debts, you and I are two different persons, and the new corporation would be a brand new artificial person.

7 year statute of limitations ? NO , That law does not apply here when over-seas fraud is involved !!
And what 7 year statute are your referring to? There is only one that commonly is 7 years, and it is relative to the credit reporting acts regarding completed bankruptcys. I do not believe any completed bankruptcy every happened. And over-seas fraud is a different matter, as Compass had a specific international corporation created, JUST for over-seas matters, it existied outside of the normal Compass USA corporations, and was another different artifical person... It is more complicated then you think... Compass had different corporate beings involved in diffenent phases of its detector businesses.. And any statute of limitations is not involved with another statute, they work with each other, they do not fight each other, and each statute stands on its own legal framework. Time limitation is time limitation, and fraud is fraud, and are not relative to each other.

The compass website that started after compass shut down still works , but the link above does not .
A website is a creation in itself...I am not you, and you are not me, each stands by itself under the law.

By the way , if Compass starts up again "the first 500 machines on the production line must be shipped to all the dealers they defrauded " !!!
No, only supposition, these are by contract issues under contracts, and are enforceable only as contract abberations and fall under Contract Law. You throw a gum wrapper out the car window, a certain law chases you. You rob a bank, a certain law chases you. You do not support your wife and kids, a certain law chases you. These are all Torts, and each are prosecuted under a specific law that covers that particular tort or injury. And Compass would not start up again, it would be a brand new company, and there is no law precluding it taking any particular name, even if the name existed in the past. Then can even take the former trademark, without liability. I will explain in detail below...

HH.............Eugene

I was friends with a local attorney, who was the Referee in Bankruptcy, so I picked his brains as he was also teaching the local Real Estate Law classes. As a person who studied law, I like to learn about the law, as it gives you and advantage over competiors, if you know what they do not know. So here is what you need to know about bankruptcy. Now I am assuming there are no changes in the bankruptcy law from when I learned about bankruptcy, as I have not studied the latest revision of the bankruptcy act, which makes it a bit harder to file bankruptcy. That being said, I will tell you what I learned about bankruptcy in the past, and it was good I learned about it, as others who owed me money, filed bankruptcy to elude paying me, and I often made sure they did not elude me completely, by filing suit before the bankruptcy filing, and thus obtaining a court judgment, which I could file and record, every 6 years, to keep the judgment alive. Unless they eliminated my judgement in the bankruptcy court, I could keep it alive locally and they would eventually have to pay the debt to get it off their credit report as deliquent debt. There is more than one way to skin a cat!

First of all, when you file bankruptcy, you are required to list and disclose all debts and creditors. Some of them that you do not wish to include in the bankruptcy, can then be excluded from the bankruptcy. This is done when a person wishes to pay off those particular debt obligations.

If one "forgets" or "fails to disclose a debt or creditor", then that debt and creditor is not included within the bankruptcy. Furthermore, just because one files for bankruptcy, does not mean the bankruptcy will eventually travel through the entire bankruptcy proceeding and be finalized. Often the Referee finds that the filing does not fall under the law and drops the bankruptcy.

As far as filing goes, the recordation is done by the Referee in the daily records that locally are given to a particular publication or newspaper. All notices thus go to that one particular advertising publication. Now the Credit Bureaus, which I am also familiar with, examine the daily recordations, and pick them up, and include them into the person or individuals local credit records. Others also read the recordations each day, such as Title Companies (which I am also familiar with as I was the Principal Employing Broker for a couple of Real Estate Companies), and then attach those to a persons real estate ownership records. Not only persons or individuals, but they also attach them to companys records. Now if the bankruptcy's do not go to finalization, then they later drop them from the records, as if they did not exist.

Only if they go the full route and are finished, do they end up with Credit Reports, Title Records, and other places... Other places I will not go into, as I am not teaching a law class, but they can go into bulks sales areas, personal property areas, and so on.

Now as far as the time period you mention above, this is the Credit Report time period, as far as how long it is carried in the credit records against the person. Supposedly such records are supposed to be purged in credit records after 7 years, but we have found this is a subjective thing among credit reporting agencys, and them sometimes are reported long after that 7 year term expires.

Each state has it own Statute of Time laws, also the Federal government his its own particular time limitations, all are to avoid conflicts with what is called the Federal and State Statute of Limitations and the Federal and State Statute of Perpuitity. This is done to avoid being classes as violating the Law of Perpuitity which is in every State and every Federal law. This is why you see 99 year leases, if you lease for 100 years or more, the lease if null and void. Not voidable, it is not enforceable or legal. Everything must fall shorter then 100 years, or is is invalid.

The Federal Statute of Limitations varies, in some cases it is 6 years, for such things as Court Judgements, and other cases it is less than 6 years and in some cases it does not come into play and there is no limitation period. States Statutes of LImitations also vary, depending upon what the partiucular limitation is designed to limit. One would have to study Oregon law to determine what or if any statute of limitations would be enforceable. But if the bankruptcy did not come into what they legally refer to "fruitation", which is a play upon the fruit of a tree going into becoming ripe to be sold or eaten, then there is absolutely no Statute of Limitatiions that anyone can apply to this Compass thing.

I have searched the internet, and have found no information regarding a bankruptcy, so I do not believe it went beyond any further than an application, if even that far. Furthermore, if you file for bankruptcy, you CANNOT sell off anything you own without the knowledge and permission of the Referee in Bankruptcy. I am speaking of selling the "blue sky" or "goodwill" name of Compass, and/or selling anything further, such as any of its assets, parts, supplies, schematics, patents, and so on and so forth. Any sale, approved by the Referee, the sales proceeds must come into the bankruptcy, and be part of the bankruptcy proceeds to be partitioned out at the end of the bankruptcy, and be distributed to the listed creditors, in court defined payment proportions.

I think the so-called owner at that time, was the person who was not an citizen, and he may have decided to sell what he could sell, abandon the debts, and flee the country. And that might be just what he did. And anything he did in that regard, would not be likely enforceable in a court of law in Oregon. What I am saying is the sale was not legal. He might have sold assets that were legally attached by debts. I do not know this for sure, but I have often seen this situation to exist in real estate. People DO THINGS that are NOT LEGAL, and then run, and often get away with it, as it is cheaper to ignor it, then to take it to court. Court costs money, money for court filings and for attorneys, and often "it is just not worth it to do anything".

As far as "over seas" is concerned, Compass existed under the laws of Oregon, and Oregon "has jurisdiction" in the case. But this is state jurisdiction, which is called "intra-state jurisdiction", within the state of Oregon. Concerning the sales and transactions that go beyond the state of Oregon, Federal Law takes jurisdiction, which is called "inter-state", and this falls to the Interstate Commerce Commission. Now going beyond the jurisdicton of the United States of America, it is Internation Law that takes that jurisdiction. So you can see, it can be pretty complex, and there is the Civil Action part, and the Criminal Law portions.

Now as far as Keith Wills is concerned, he is not acting as Compass, he is running his own company. He can have copies of the schematics and be legally valid. Also the former service manager, who operated under the name of Compass in Oregon, other than his and his wife's individual TORTS are concerned, can legally repair and own the schematics, as there is NO Compass in existence to protest. The name of Compass is no longer protected under Federal laws, so it can be used by anyone, as it is now in the common public area. It is no longer registered.

All I wanted to know was, is there any VALID facts that happened, but apparently there are none. What I was particulary interested in, was whether or not Sean got any satisfaction from that case filed as Fraud in the State of Oregon. I think it may have been abandoned by the State of Oregon as I have seen nothing on it in the internet.

And anything that was required by Compass in regard to its former dealers, would only be incumbunt upon the former Compass, not the new Compass. And those former agreements would more than likely have expired under Federal and State statues of limitations... In otherwords, no longer valid and enforceable. Nothing lasts for every, which is why they had the Statutes of Limitations!!! There is NO forever.

I am pretty cognizant regarding federal and state laws, but this is a statement of generalization I am making right now, without examining Oregon laws in particular. Agreements such as that would be covered under the Law of Contracts in the state of Oregon. There is a law for almost everything.

Frauds fall under the various laws of Frauds. Frauds fall under various categories, starting first with mispresentation, then gross mispresentation, and then beyond into fraud, and for actual Fraud to happen, three specific conditions must happen, prevail, occur, and actual damage must happen and be proven, due to the fraud, or there is no fraud. Furthermore, the victim must have relied upon the mispresentation, to the degree he suffered damage, without being aware a fraud or mispresentation was being run, or there is no damage or loss. The law regarding mispresentation and fraud is pretty precise, and one must prove the conditions happened, and were intentional. Intention is hard to prove. It is a criminal matter, and not a civil action matter. One can sue for damages after the criminal case is proven and won. One hand washes the other hand.

Each state is different regarding the law and one must be compliant with a particular state's laws to run legally. One can become a Corporation in Deleware, by virtute of its more lenient corporate laws, and still operate in Oregon and/or any other state. Compass, as I examined it, I found to be far more than just one corporation, they were well protected by many mixed corporations and overlapping corporations and limited partnerships. Be pretty difficult to attach the corporate liability to any individual unless the violated the corporate shield of invisibility as far as corporate liability traveling over to the corporate officers, directiors, and individuals.

That is the reason for corporations, to shield human beings from the corporation liability, except for personal violations or torts, that create personal liabilites while acting within the corporation. In otherwords, while working for the corporation, if the human being does not personally violate the law, the corporation "takes the rap for the violations".

I have created many corporations personally and run them myself, so I know what I am saying. I was not an attorney, but I performed similiar work, and studied law at the University of Nebraska, justt decided not to be a attorney, but a real estate broker.

And I have had experience with enforcement attorneys with the Federal Trade Commission, where one starts first, to prove a case of federal fraud, or any other violation of federal statutes.

Then if it is valid, it is sent to the enforcement attorneys with the United States Department of Justice, which is the prosecutatorial arm of the FCC. The Justice Department then takes it to federal court.

In my particular experience, from my complaint of violations of federal law regarding restraint of trade and anti-trust violations by a real estate board of Realtors, it was then sent to the State of Colorado, enforcement attorneys, for state court action, under the Colorado State Attorney General, as Colorado had jusrisdiction, and we won in every court including the state Colorado Supreme Court.

IT was appealed no further (by the local board of Realtors, the Colorado Assn of Realtors, and the National Assn of Realtors) than Colorado Supreme Court. My case brought into being the Colorado Anti-Trust Act. It was started under complaints of violations of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and the Clayton Anti-Trust Act, found to be a violation those two federal statutes, and transferred by the Justice Department, who was busy with a Anti-Trust lawsuit against AT&T (called MA Bell at the time). So you see, the federal boys determined if the violations were valid, and who should actually pursue under jurisdiction.

And so far, regarding Compass, it is all speculation and no valid facts that I can determine. I would still be interested in learning any valid facts. All I know for sure so far is Compass is no longer in business, and its operating name is not longer protected under Trademark law. I do not even know for sure if the three Patents are still valid and owned by any of the patent applicants, as they were assigned to Compass. I have not found any references to any court judgments.
Melbeta

[amtech2005]

Thank-you Melbeta for a very thorough response .

I wonder what happened to Sean ?
Sean and many others will be happy to see that this "Compass Fraud" subject will not go away !!

Best Regards..............Eugene

[Melbeta]

You are welcome...

Thank-you Melbeta for a very thorough response .

I wonder what happened to Sean ?
Sean and many others will be happy to see that this "Compass Fraud" subject will not go away !!

Best Regards..............Eugene

Yes, I was interested to hear what had happened with Sean's complaint of Fraud (against Steve and Sue Goss), as it would be investigated under Oregon law, then if it was successful, and if the defendants had any money or assets, then Sean could pursue a civil court action and attach any money or assets. But as I searched, I found no information.

Steve Goss originally was the original Service Manager for Compass, and was very dependable and competent, and even after Compass went under, for sometime, on his own money, he provided service for owners of Compass detectors, under warranty, at times when he was not obligated to provide such warranty service.

I believe that Steve Goss must have obtain some ownership of Compass from the former foreign owner under the table, and tried to resurrect Compass, but did not have the money to carry the Compass name into the future, and ended up doing things out of financial desperation. He made promises he could not keep. Former employees said they liked and respected Steve Goss. Sue Goss had ended up with cancer, and I believe that played a part in the financial struggle for the Goss family. This is all heresay, which is unsubstianted information and speculation.

I knew Ron Mack of Compass, he was a nice person, and I was one of his Compass dealers. I had a personal love of Compass metal detectors, as those detectors worked very well for me over the years. Ron Mack ended up with cancer, and I believe he was the force behind Compass, and without him, it was the beginning of the end for Compass. Also the fire at the main plant on the second floor, which was the assembly and parts area, played a very important part in the demise of Compass.

You have a nice day Eugene.
Melbeta